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sepiroth154 feddit.nl sepiroth154@feddit.nl
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Comrade Pikachu.

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DupaCycki lemmy.world DupaCycki@lemmy.world
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How many data centers could a Pikachu power?

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splendid9583 kbin.earth splendid9583@kbin.earth
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https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Assata_Shakur#Assata:_In_Her_Own_Words

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pelespirit sh.itjust.works pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
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#5 · (edited) Quote Reply

How many data centers could a Pikachu power?

lmao. You have just now been hired to run as a republican. We're going to put billions of dark money behind you.

~ Theil, Ellison and Texas probably

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ncc74656 lemmy.ml ncc74656@lemmy.ml
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Or voting

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tmyakal infosec.pub tmyakal@infosec.pub
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Dr. King’s policy was, if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That’s very good. He only made one fallacious assumption. In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none.

Stokely Carmichael

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ArbitraryValue sh.itjust.works ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
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What a detached-from-reality take. I'm not saying that appealing to the moral sense of the oppressors usually works (it doesn't) but when a group of people successfully gains their freedom, it's usually by appealing to that moral sense. After all, if the oppressor wasn't stronger than the oppressed, there probably wouldn't have been oppression in the first place.

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DagwoodIII piefed.social DagwoodIII@piefed.social
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That was literally what MLK and Gandhi did.

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Dadifer lemmy.world Dadifer@lemmy.world
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That was literally what MLK and Gandhi did.

I'm pretty sure MLK only worked because the Black Panthers were doing a good/bad cop thing.

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Dookieman12 piefed.social Dookieman12@piefed.social
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I'm pretty sure MLK only worked because the Black Panthers were doing a good/bad cop thing.

Yeah, basically. Between MLK and Malcolm X, no matter how you wanted to resist, they had you covered. That's why the government killed them both.

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Dookieman12 piefed.social Dookieman12@piefed.social
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What a detached-from-reality take. I'm not saying that appealing to the moral sense of the oppressors usually works (it doesn't) but when a group of people successfully gains their freedom, it's usually by appealing to that moral sense. After all, if the oppressor wasn't stronger than the oppressed, there probably wouldn't have been oppression in the first place.

Yeah, but it's won by appealing to the moral sense of the masses. OP specifies "the people who were oppressing them".

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Forever Seeking sh.itjust.works SignalFound@sh.itjust.works
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That was literally what MLK and Gandhi did.

Gandhi's method wasn't the only method for India's fight for independence.

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WalleyeWarrior midwest.social WalleyeWarrior@midwest.social
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I'm pretty sure MLK only worked because the Black Panthers were doing a good/bad cop thing.

And the changes MLK sought only came following the race riots after his death. I don't want to discredit him because he was essential to the civil rights movement, but ultimately his martyrdom is what brought the change he fought for

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wizblizz lemmy.world wizblizz@lemmy.world
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How many data centers could a Pikachu power?

Wrong question. How many could he fry?

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Tango piefed.ca Tango@piefed.ca
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I'm pretty sure MLK only worked because the Black Panthers were doing a good/bad cop thing.

I'm pretty sure the Black Panthers only worked because MLK was doing a good/bad cop thing.

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BradleyUffner lemmy.world BradleyUffner@lemmy.world
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I broke up with my crazy ex. That was definitely freeing, and I don't recall any violence.

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Malyca lemmy.zip Malyca@lemmy.zip
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As someone with a strong autistic sense of justice and hyper empathy, usually the fight is between the psychopaths and whatever idiots they've manipulated to their cause against the rest of us. They're psychopaths and narcissists, they have no morals. That's why they're evil. You can't appeal to morality that isn't there. There's only one way to deal with them and they'll pick us off one by one, like they always do, while we hem and haw with delusion about how everything will be ok.

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AnarchoEngineer lemmy.dbzer0.com AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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I broke up with my crazy ex. That was definitely freeing, and I don't recall any violence.

You were voluntarily (not-involuntarily-forced-into) being oppressed and decided to stop volunteering for it (use the freedom that was already there: to leave without facing violence)

It’s not like immigrants can just “break up” with ICE


Edit: Removed “voluntary” because it could be construed as “consented to” and not “free to choose without constraint/threat” like I meant it

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SuperNovaStar lemmy.blahaj.zone SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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That was literally what MLK and Gandhi did.

Ghandi wasn't actually a pacifist, though, it was just a tactic that happened to be expedient at the time

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Bombastic sopuli.xyz Bombastic@sopuli.xyz
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Cool maymay, can't find the OG image. Anyone care to help?

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zarkanian sh.itjust.works zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
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You were voluntarily (not-involuntarily-forced-into) being oppressed and decided to stop volunteering for it (use the freedom that was already there: to leave without facing violence) It’s not like immigrants can just “break up” with ICE Edit: Removed “voluntary” because it could be construed as “consented to” and not “free to choose without constraint/threat” like I meant it

People in abusive relationships are "volunteering" to be abused?

Well...that's certainly a take

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zarkanian sh.itjust.works zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
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Dr. King’s policy was, if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That’s very good. He only made one fallacious assumption. In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none. Stokely Carmichael

What does "the United States" refer to here? The government? The populace?

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ideonek piefed.social ideonek@piefed.social
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This lettering is a form of oppression.

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ShinkanTrain lemmy.ml ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml
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#25 · (edited) Quote Reply

That was literally what MLK and Gandhi did.

That's crazy. What happened to them anyway?

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AnarchoEngineer lemmy.dbzer0.com AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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People in abusive relationships are "volunteering" to be abused? Well...that's certainly a take

a) I was talking about the specific situation OP described, not any abusive/bad relationship ever

b) If it was abusive that would likely have made it violent (psychological violence is violence)

c) “Voluntary” as in they could choose to leave without threat to their safety/wellbeing, not “oh boy I wholeheartedly desire this.”

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socsa piefed.social socsa@piefed.social
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That was literally what MLK and Gandhi did.

A bunch of European monarchies also voluntarily granted power to democratic institutions.

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phdepressed sh.itjust.works phdepressed@sh.itjust.works
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What does "the United States" refer to here? The government? The populace?

Both perhaps, at the time of his assassination MLK Jr. had about 80% of the country hating him.

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jrTug_2T lemmy.blahaj.zone jrTug_2T@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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Dr. King’s policy was, if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That’s very good. He only made one fallacious assumption. In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none. Stokely Carmichael

"Nonviolence is fine, as long as it works."
— Malcolm X

"In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience."
— Stokely Carmichael

"A riot is the language of the unheard."
— Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Lushed_Lungfish lemmy.ca Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca
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"Walk softly and carry a big gun" Gabriel Angelos, Chapter Master, Blood Ravens Space Marines.

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BradleyUffner lemmy.world BradleyUffner@lemmy.world
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#31 · (edited) Quote Reply

Damn right Pikachu! Now get back the fuck back in your ball and fight others of your species for my entertainment!

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DagwoodIII piefed.social DagwoodIII@piefed.social
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Both perhaps, at the time of his assassination MLK Jr. had about 80% of the country hating him.

You have any evidence?

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DagwoodIII piefed.social DagwoodIII@piefed.social
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And the changes MLK sought only came following the race riots after his death. I don't want to discredit him because he was essential to the civil rights movement, but ultimately his martyrdom is what brought the change he fought for

1964= Civil Rights Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

1968=MLK assassination

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Martin_Luther_King_Jr.

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Kintarian lemmy.world Kintarian@lemmy.world
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Nope, it’s usually guillotines

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Zacryon feddit.org Zacryon@feddit.org
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I wonder whether we have actual numbers to support this. And not just anectodal, or single individual events. But on a larger global scale, also investigating whether alternative measures have been taken and whether they suceeded. And then putting them into relation to each other, carefully considering potential limitations in the interpretability as well as implications, before forming conclusions regarding any recommendations of optimal action.

Or, put simply, is violence really the best way to deal with oppression?

This is also sharing some overlap with protesting methods. And I am not quite sure whether we have a definitive answer to that.

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Bane_Killgrind lemmy.dbzer0.com Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Comrade Pikachu.

Ungovernable

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TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger sh.itjust.works TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger@sh.itjust.works
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I wonder whether we have actual numbers to support this. And not just anectodal, or single individual events. But on a larger global scale, also investigating whether alternative measures have been taken and whether they suceeded. And then putting them into relation to each other, carefully considering potential limitations in the interpretability as well as implications, before forming conclus...

This isn't really true. Most successful revolutions in the last hundred years have been largely non-violent. I mean look at the dissolution of the USSR, for instance. Or Hungary recently, although how much of a revolution that is is sort of up in the air. Or Spain. I think the numbers are something like once 3% of the population is in the streets you're donezo.

I mean, also, like, India was directly and very much this.

That isn't to cast aspersions on violent revolution, but it's more of a narrative than reality, at least now.

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Uriel238 [all pronouns] lemmy.blahaj.zone uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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Sadly, this is true even for workforces, even though the cost of treating your labor pool well (giving them breaks, letting them chat with loved ones and surf the internet) is surpassed by the profit gained by increased productivity. (There are studies.)

Game developing companies still crunch, even though crunching decreases the likelihood that a deadline will be met.

A recent How Money Works video (this one on YouTube) came to the conclusion that the ownership class is just plain cruel and vindictive and is disgusted if their workforce gets even a modicum of class consciousness.

Every concession for labor, from the weekend to lunch breaks to bodily autonomy to living wages had to be attained by leveraging power against the ownership class.

So long as we have ownership class, we will be oppressed by them.

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VitoRobles lemmy.today VitoRobles@lemmy.today
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"Walk softly and carry a big gun" Gabriel Angelos, Chapter Master, Blood Ravens Space Marines.

I knew Teddy Bear Roosevelt was a 40k nerd

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DaGreenGobbo feddit.uk DaGreenGobbo@feddit.uk
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"Walk softly and carry a big gun" Gabriel Angelos, Chapter Master, Blood Ravens Space Marines.

Space Marines give da best advice!

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VitoRobles lemmy.today VitoRobles@lemmy.today
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You were voluntarily (not-involuntarily-forced-into) being oppressed and decided to stop volunteering for it (use the freedom that was already there: to leave without facing violence) It’s not like immigrants can just “break up” with ICE Edit: Removed “voluntary” because it could be construed as “consented to” and not “free to choose without constraint/threat” like I meant it

Gotta love it when someone is like "Here's this problem in society..." And someone else goes "Nah it never happened directly to me so you're wrong."

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Why is Lemmy so Racist? lemmy.world Abyssian@lemmy.world
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So, Pikachu, what methods work and need to be used?

Or are we not allowed to discuss that anywhere because they violate the ToS of every platform people could use to discuss and possibly plan the use of such methods since those platforms are owned and controlled by the folks in control or afraid of legal action by said folks?

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avocado programming.dev avocado@programming.dev
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#43 · (edited) Quote Reply

Source: trust me bro

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Oppopity lemmy.ml Oppopity@lemmy.ml
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This isn't really true. Most successful revolutions in the last hundred years have been largely non-violent. I mean look at the dissolution of the USSR, for instance. Or Hungary recently, although how much of a revolution that is is sort of up in the air. Or Spain. I think the numbers are something like once 3% of the population is in the streets you're donezo. I mean, also, like, India was dir...

Shelling your parliament with a tank isn't violent?

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TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger sh.itjust.works TheLegendaryAssholeOfJushinLiger@sh.itjust.works
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Shelling your parliament with a tank isn't violent?

I mean there was violence but who is calling that a "violent revolution?" Come on. I doubt there has ever been a revolution without a single instance of violence, but you are well aware that that's not what we're talking about, comma fucker.

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JcbAzPx lemmy.world JcbAzPx@lemmy.world
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Gandhi's method wasn't the only method for India's fight for independence.

No, just the one that worked.

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stickyprimer lemmy.world stickyprimer@lemmy.world
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That's crazy. What happened to them anyway?

They contributed to winning the fight and made history.

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Oppopity lemmy.ml Oppopity@lemmy.ml
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I mean there was violence but who is calling that a "violent revolution?" Come on. I doubt there has ever been a revolution without a single instance of violence, but you are well aware that that's not what we're talking about, comma fucker.

Goal posts.

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phdepressed sh.itjust.works phdepressed@sh.itjust.works
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#49 · Quote Reply

You have any evidence?

https://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/martin-luther-king-75-percent-disapproval-rating-year-death/

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explodicle sh.itjust.works explodicle@sh.itjust.works
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As someone with a strong autistic sense of justice and hyper empathy, usually the fight is between the psychopaths and whatever idiots they've manipulated to their cause against the rest of us. They're psychopaths and narcissists, they have no morals. That's why they're evil. You can't appeal to morality that isn't there. There's only one way to deal with them and they'll pick us off one by one...

There's tons of ways to deal with them. I've heard vegans suggest compost, and people concerned about prions suggest autoclave.

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explodicle sh.itjust.works explodicle@sh.itjust.works
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So, Pikachu, what methods work and need to be used? Or are we not allowed to discuss that anywhere because they violate the ToS of every platform people could use to discuss and possibly plan the use of such methods since those platforms are owned and controlled by the folks in control or afraid of legal action by said folks?

I'd suggest counter-economics, unions, mutual aid, generally just a bunch of direct action.

I'm all for eating the rich too, but we won't get there just by wishing really hard. We have to show people how a better world can be built. You're doing it because you want things to change, most people who cooperate will just want to improve their financial situation.

Are we even particularly censored here? Luigi Mangione

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