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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
link to open access paper https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0338509
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artifex
piefed.zip
artifex@piefed.zipJoined: 2025-12-16 |
I don’t like this headline. A human from 60,000 years ago would be anatomically identical to a modern human, brain included, so of course they mind would be able to produce sophisticated ideas. A better headline would have been about there are few examples of abstract mathematics from that long ago. |
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cmbabul
slrpnk.net
cmbabul@slrpnk.net Joined: 2025-08-11 |
I don’t like this headline. A human from 60,000 years ago would be anatomically identical to a modern human, brain included, so of course they mind would be able to produce sophisticated ideas. A better headline would have been about there are few examples of abstract mathematics from that long ago.
The Dawn of Everything makes this point fabulously and with loads of historical examples. The urge to look at the peoples of the past as primitive and lesser is a major fault in our understanding of ourselves and human societies |
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artifex
piefed.zip
artifex@piefed.zipJoined: 2025-12-16 |
The Dawn of Everything makes this point fabulously and with loads of historical examples. The urge to look at the peoples of the past as primitive and lesser is a major fault in our understanding of ourselves and human societies
One of my favorite books. Though I have to read it with 10 Wikipedia tabs opened. |
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Eq0
literature.cafe
Eq0@literature.cafe Joined: 2023-08-01 |
The Dawn of Everything makes this point fabulously and with loads of historical examples. The urge to look at the peoples of the past as primitive and lesser is a major fault in our understanding of ourselves and human societies
I’ve been reading it and I recommend it m mainly for this specific reason! Just because they were born long ago doesn’t make them stupid. And, thinking about it, maybe not having a massively time consuming and mind numbing job actually helped them develop their minds and thoughts. |
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cmbabul
slrpnk.net
cmbabul@slrpnk.net Joined: 2025-08-11 |
One of my favorite books. Though I have to read it with 10 Wikipedia tabs opened.
Yeah that’s more than understandable, it’s dense as fuck, but well worth the effort! |
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cmbabul
slrpnk.net
cmbabul@slrpnk.net Joined: 2025-08-11 |
I’ve been reading it and I recommend it m mainly for this specific reason! Just because they were born long ago doesn’t make them stupid. And, thinking about it, maybe not having a massively time consuming and mind numbing job actually helped them develop their minds and thoughts.
And that calls into question the generally accepted notion that the way we’ve organized our societies has been getting progressively better over the timeline of our species and that we might be able to take some of the aspects of our modern world that meet that criteria(solar electricity, medical advancements, etc) can be applied to older paradigms. Fusing old and new to create a better world for human kind. Revolutionary book |
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Eq0
literature.cafe
Eq0@literature.cafe Joined: 2023-08-01 |
And that calls into question the generally accepted notion that the way we’ve organized our societies has been getting progressively better over the timeline of our species and that we might be able to take some of the aspects of our modern world that meet that criteria(solar electricity, medical advancements, etc) can be applied to older paradigms. Fusing old and new to create a better world f...
Reminds me of Harari’s Sapiens, supporting the idea that most revolutions, starting from the agricultural one, actually made our lives globally worse. |
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DagwoodIII
piefed.social
DagwoodIII@piefed.social Joined: 2025-06-17 |
[off topic?] BRZRKR by Keanu Reeves and Matt Kindt. Immortal warrior fighting evil in the modern world. At one point he's talking to a scientist and says that it's hard for him to remember everything that's happened over thousands and thousands of years, but he remembers learning calculus a dozen times. |
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cmbabul
slrpnk.net
cmbabul@slrpnk.net Joined: 2025-08-11 |
Reminds me of Harari’s Sapiens, supporting the idea that most revolutions, starting from the agricultural one, actually made our lives globally worse.
I’ve got some criticisms of Harari but in general I agree. I think he leans a bit hard into the narrative of progression but i haven’t re-read Sapiens in the context of having read The Dawn of Everything |
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supersquirrel
sopuli.xyz
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-12-09 |
I don’t like this headline. A human from 60,000 years ago would be anatomically identical to a modern human, brain included, so of course they mind would be able to produce sophisticated ideas. A better headline would have been about there are few examples of abstract mathematics from that long ago.
Yeah I agree, I don't like changing headlines but this one is pure science gore. I like the article despite that however and the actual research paper is pretty cool. |
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sulfidedisburseangledafternoontipper
piefed.blahaj.zone
sulfidedisburseangledafternoontipper@piefed.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-06-27 |
One of my favorite books. Though I have to read it with 10 Wikipedia tabs opened.
I made my book club read it a couple of years ago. A few people did the audiobook. Even though I think it might be one of the most important and fascinating books of the last century, I cannot imagine the soporific power of that audiobook. |
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verity_kindle
sh.itjust.works
verity_kindle@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-27 |
[off topic?] BRZRKR by Keanu Reeves and Matt Kindt. Immortal warrior fighting evil in the modern world. At one point he's talking to a scientist and says that it's hard for him to remember everything that's happened over thousands and thousands of years, but he remembers learning calculus a dozen times.
...please expatiate. Is this a graphic novel? XD |
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atomicbocks
sh.itjust.works
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-02-16 |
The Dawn of Everything makes this point fabulously and with loads of historical examples. The urge to look at the peoples of the past as primitive and lesser is a major fault in our understanding of ourselves and human societies
Even in short timespans, I was downvoted harshly recently for disagreeing with somebody who said that the tech we use today was “unrealistic science fiction 50 years ago”. |
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Eq0
literature.cafe
Eq0@literature.cafe Joined: 2023-08-01 |
I’ve got some criticisms of Harari but in general I agree. I think he leans a bit hard into the narrative of progression but i haven’t re-read Sapiens in the context of having read The Dawn of Everything
I also felt he was quite heavy handed on fitting his narrative, and 21 questions cemented that for me - not a book I would heavily recommend, it just fitted the topic |
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DagwoodIII
piefed.social
DagwoodIII@piefed.social Joined: 2025-06-17 |
...please expatiate. Is this a graphic novel? XD
Silly me! https://bookshop.org/beta-search?keywords=brzrkr&bkshp-astro=t Bookshop.org is the ethical alternative to Amazon |
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artifex
piefed.zip
artifex@piefed.zipJoined: 2025-12-16 |
I also felt he was quite heavy handed on fitting his narrative, and 21 questions cemented that for me - not a book I would heavily recommend, it just fitted the topic
Sapiens is so heavily overfitted that I almost couldn't finish it the first time I read it through. You could say the same about Dawn of Everything , except that Dawn 's purpose was to show that there were not just counterexamples for many generally accepted things, but in some cases new evidence that totally overturns some of that "common knowledge." |
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Valmond
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-11-13 |
The Dawn of Everything makes this point fabulously and with loads of historical examples. The urge to look at the peoples of the past as primitive and lesser is a major fault in our understanding of ourselves and human societies
I look at humanity today and feel we're quite primitive, worse than they were ages ago when they didn't really have a choice. |
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cmbabul
slrpnk.net
cmbabul@slrpnk.net Joined: 2025-08-11 |
I also felt he was quite heavy handed on fitting his narrative, and 21 questions cemented that for me - not a book I would heavily recommend, it just fitted the topic
For sure, I’m not gonna say the dude or the book has zero value, cause if memory serves there are some good points made. But overall I think he misses the mark hard because he wanted to hit a different one |
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