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vudu
slrpnk.net
vudu@slrpnk.net Joined: 2023-06-15 |
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James R Kirk
startrek.website
Kirk@startrek.websiteJoined: 2025-03-01 |
I haven't watched this video yet but I heard him talking about this project on a podcast recently and it was really interesting. It's basically impossible to manufacture something simple (and increasingly often, complex things too) in the US at a competitive price. Yes, he made a "better" grill scrubber completely in the USA, but it costs $60. Yes, it's totally BIFL but the market for people willing to pay that is probably not sustainable for anyone without the "free" marketing of a popular YouTube channel. |
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blackbelt352
lemmy.world
blackbelt352@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-14 |
I haven't watched this video yet but I heard him talking about this project on a podcast recently and it was really interesting. It's basically impossible to manufacture something simple (and increasingly often, complex things too) in the US at a competitive price. Yes, he made a "better" grill scrubber completely in the USA, but it costs $60. Yes, it's totally BIFL but the market for people wi...
His last few years of videos has been a deep dive on manufacturing learning everything he can. Basically he's independently come to the conclusion that chasing profit and maximizing it at the expense of product quality and treating people right is the problem we face and no amount of engineering knowhow is going to fix that the system does not prioritize people or quality. Him having a YouTube audience already definitely helps a lot but hes also not exactly explicitly advertising it, and even talks about how he doesn't want his science communication channel to become a scrubber advertising channel. Edit forgor some words |
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James R Kirk
startrek.website
Kirk@startrek.websiteJoined: 2025-03-01 |
His last few years of videos has been a deep dive on manufacturing learning everything he can. Basically he's independently come to the conclusion that chasing profit and maximizing it at the expense of product quality and treating people right is the problem we face and no amount of engineering knowhow is going to fix that the system does not prioritize people or quality. Him having a YouTube ...
Absolutely. The interesting thing to me was the lack of institutional knowledge remaining in the US. For example, finding a machinist based in the US was one of his biggest challenges as most of them have retired. I think he was only able to locate one still in operation that could make the parts he needed. |
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Dultas
lemmy.world
Dultas@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-03 |
Absolutely. The interesting thing to me was the lack of institutional knowledge remaining in the US. For example, finding a machinist based in the US was one of his biggest challenges as most of them have retired. I think he was only able to locate one still in operation that could make the parts he needed.
And that person just retired and he ended up buying all his equipment so he didn't have to look for a new supplier. |
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James R Kirk
startrek.website
Kirk@startrek.websiteJoined: 2025-03-01 |
And that person just retired and he ended up buying all his equipment so he didn't have to look for a new supplier.
That's wild I didn't know that! |
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bjc
scribe.disroot.org
bjc@scribe.disroot.org Joined: 2026-04-20 |
remember when this guy was like "i dunno, maybe intelligent design is real"? |
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moldy_rice
piefed.keyboardvagabond.com
moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.comJoined: 2026-08-07 |
Link to article? |
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HubertManne
piefed.social
HubertManne@piefed.social Joined: 2025-03-13 |
His last few years of videos has been a deep dive on manufacturing learning everything he can. Basically he's independently come to the conclusion that chasing profit and maximizing it at the expense of product quality and treating people right is the problem we face and no amount of engineering knowhow is going to fix that the system does not prioritize people or quality. Him having a YouTube ...
I have been saying this for awhile. Often times the us is mentioned as being very efficient. Its a dollar cost efficiency though. Basically a race to the bottom. What germany and japan was known for at one time was efficiently making a high quality product. Its the highest quality that we are missing. |
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Dultas
lemmy.world
Dultas@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-03 |
That's wild I didn't know that!
It was in the latest video. They also brought the laser etching in house. |
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eleijeep
piefed.social
eleijeep@piefed.social Joined: 2025-09-22 |
remember when this guy was like "i dunno, maybe intelligent design is real"?
I unsubbed when he started mentioning his religion in his videos. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
I haven't watched this video yet but I heard him talking about this project on a podcast recently and it was really interesting. It's basically impossible to manufacture something simple (and increasingly often, complex things too) in the US at a competitive price. Yes, he made a "better" grill scrubber completely in the USA, but it costs $60. Yes, it's totally BIFL but the market for people wi...
He copied a scrubber made by Cuisineart for $29-39.
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
His last few years of videos has been a deep dive on manufacturing learning everything he can. Basically he's independently come to the conclusion that chasing profit and maximizing it at the expense of product quality and treating people right is the problem we face and no amount of engineering knowhow is going to fix that the system does not prioritize people or quality. Him having a YouTube ...
Then why does his website sell them. Don't fucking trust Christians, they can lie their whole lives and get a Mulligan from God in the end. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
Absolutely. The interesting thing to me was the lack of institutional knowledge remaining in the US. For example, finding a machinist based in the US was one of his biggest challenges as most of them have retired. I think he was only able to locate one still in operation that could make the parts he needed.
uh...because parts like that are not made by machinists any more, they are made by techs running automated CNC machines. |
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blackbelt352
lemmy.world
blackbelt352@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-14 |
talks about how he doesn’t want his science communication channel to become a scrubber advertising channel. Then why does his website sell them. Don't fucking trust Christians, they can lie their whole lives and get a Mulligan from God in the end.
Because his website is not his YouTube channel...? I get being angry at Christians, but be angry at them for things they're actually doing instead of pulling the Conservative move and get angry at some nonsense you made up to justify your dislike of them. I'll gladly say fuck the Catholic church and the man who baptized me for protecting the pedo who was supposed to be the principal of my high school. And fuck the Bishop of my diocese for covering up the child rape crimes for decades. I wont be pissed because you think Destin lied about not turning his youtube channel into an advertising channel. |
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almost1337
lemmy.zip
almost1337@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-04 |
uh...because parts like that are not made by machinists any more, they are made by techs running automated CNC machines. Faster, cheaper, better.
Not always better. In his video about stamping, his host illustrates the difference between a one piece stamping die from China compared to the ones made in house. Basically when the single piece one starts to wear out, you have to replace the whole thing. However; with the ones designed and manufactured in house, all of the wear surfaces are replaceable. So the CNC option may be faster and cheaper up front, but in the long run investing in the tooling to last long-term is more cost effective. |
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almost1337
lemmy.zip
almost1337@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-04 |
Yes, he made a “better” grill scrubber completely in the USA, but it costs $60 He copied a scrubber made by Cuisineart for $29-39.
Was the Cuisinart one around when the first video went up a year ago, or did a major company see a potentially good idea and leverage their resources to mass produce a cheaper version? If you watch the original video from last year, they did a lot of design work from first principles, so I doubt they copied from the big company. |
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LastYearsIrritant
sopuli.xyz
LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2025-02-20 |
Not always better. In his video about stamping, his host illustrates the difference between a one piece stamping die from China compared to the ones made in house. Basically when the single piece one starts to wear out, you have to replace the whole thing. However; with the ones designed and manufactured in house, all of the wear surfaces are replaceable. So the CNC option may be faster and che...
You can have both. There's no reason why you couldn't have a well designed, CNC made part. |
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daannii
lemmy.world
daannii@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-03-08 |
remember when this guy was like "i dunno, maybe intelligent design is real"?
I think the human body is pretty solid evidence of the lack of "intelligent design". Design flaw after design flaw. |
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vudu
slrpnk.net
vudu@slrpnk.net Joined: 2023-06-15 |
I have been saying this for awhile. Often times the us is mentioned as being very efficient. Its a dollar cost efficiency though. Basically a race to the bottom. What germany and japan was known for at one time was efficiently making a high quality product. Its the highest quality that we are missing.
The missing piece is that countries like Germany have VERY strong union presence which has a hand in managing the companies. This prevents the race to the bottom since they are specifically accounting for the societal impact, worker impact, and long-term reputation of the product and company (i.e. emphasis on quality). |
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Taldan
lemmy.world
Taldan@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-12-31 |
Yes, he made a “better” grill scrubber completely in the USA, but it costs $60 He copied a scrubber made by Cuisineart for $29-39.
They copied him, which reiterates a fundamental problem with our capitalist model - it's too easy to copy a good design and make a cheaper copy He spent a lot of engineering hours on R&D. Cuisinart skipped that by stealing his design. They also save a lot of money by having it made in China |
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Taldan
lemmy.world
Taldan@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-12-31 |
I think the human body is pretty solid evidence of the lack of "intelligent design". Design flaw after design flaw.
Our fucking eyes are built backwards! But at the same time I can still get a better view of Mars in my telescope with my eyes than I can with a $2000 camera. Crazy how flexible our eyes are |
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daannii
lemmy.world
daannii@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-03-08 |
Our fucking eyes are built backwards! But at the same time I can still get a better view of Mars in my telescope with my eyes than I can with a $2000 camera. Crazy how flexible our eyes are
To those who don't know. This person is 100 percent correct. The retina in the back of the eye. The part that registers light and lets us see , is wired backwards. Essentially the nerve fibers that connect to the retina comes out in front of it. And blood vessels are also in front of the retina. So when light enters the pupil ,it also has to pass through nerve bundles and blood vessels to reach the retina. Making our vision a much lower resolution. In comparison to if photons could make more perfect unobstructed paths to the retina. This design also causes humans to have a blind spot because all those nerves and blood vessels have to exit the eye through a tunnel where no retina cells are. Not that light could penetrate that bundle anyway. If you want to understand better what I mean, we can compare a human eye to that of a cephalopod, who actually has a better designed eye that's not made ass-backwards. I highlighted the nerve fibers in pink so you can see what I mean. This is a product of evolution. A long time ago, our ancestors were fish. |
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