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alyaza [they/she]
beehaw.org
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HobbitFoot
thelemmy.club
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club Joined: 2023-06-16 |
Dumb question, but what would happen if the act of peer review was a cost that had to be paid? I assume that's the reason why journals have such high fees to read documents, that's how they fund peer review. |
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Jake Farm
sopuli.xyz
Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2023-04-20 |
Dumb question, but what would happen if the act of peer review was a cost that had to be paid? I assume that's the reason why journals have such high fees to read documents, that's how they fund peer review.
None of that goes to the reviewers though. |
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Jake Farm
sopuli.xyz
Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2023-04-20 |
These papers are tied to real people right? Shouldn't those real people suffer serious consequences for wasting their time and resources? |
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its_me_xiphos
beehaw.org
its_me_xiphos@beehaw.org Joined: 2023-12-30 |
Dumb question, but what would happen if the act of peer review was a cost that had to be paid? I assume that's the reason why journals have such high fees to read documents, that's how they fund peer review.
Former academic with publications here! Peer reviewers are not paid. Editors often are not either. You work for free for the prestige. Seriously. Journal publishers exploit that and make bank from institutional subscriptions and individual purchases. Its an antiquated system that was meant to produce good science and understanding and has become a beast of burden for thousands of academics with no good alternative. |
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HobbitFoot
thelemmy.club
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club Joined: 2023-06-16 |
Former academic with publications here! Peer reviewers are not paid. Editors often are not either. You work for free for the prestige. Seriously. Journal publishers exploit that and make bank from institutional subscriptions and individual purchases. Its an antiquated system that was meant to produce good science and understanding and has become a beast of burden for thousands of academics with...
I get that you are supposed to get prestige from peer review, but the system is breaking down. What I'm asking is if an independent group got together where they would peer review the research for a fee that can get built into a grant. Or maybe a grant giving research organization builds it in house, where all research performed under a grant goes through their internal peer review with qualified reviews. |
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its_me_xiphos
beehaw.org
its_me_xiphos@beehaw.org Joined: 2023-12-30 |
I get that you are supposed to get prestige from peer review, but the system is breaking down. What I'm asking is if an independent group got together where they would peer review the research for a fee that can get built into a grant. Or maybe a grant giving research organization builds it in house, where all research performed under a grant goes through their internal peer review with qualifi...
I apologize for not understanding your question. Grants would be possible, if a grant was made specifically to support a journal and reviewers in that process. But you run into new problems a voluntary system was meant to prevent. It's not a bad idea at all. In fact, I agree that it could work and be better. You just need guard rails. Prevent review speed runs to get paid, internal review processes that highlight one type of research over another. Hard, but doable and there are enough people that, I surmise, want to work within a better system. |
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its_me_xiphos
beehaw.org
its_me_xiphos@beehaw.org Joined: 2023-12-30 |
These papers are tied to real people right? Shouldn't those real people suffer serious consequences for wasting their time and resources?
One would think, but no. That is changing a little in some areas as AI is getting push back. I don't know what the future holds for the academic world, but when I left it was like this: The publish or perish world of academics rewards quantity over quality to a degree. You need to turn one set of findings into multiple papers for multiple journals, push out dozens of papers annually, push out anything to get into good journals and fall back journals, even if some don't stick. If the science behind it is right, you've got a 6 month to 2 year process until it gets published. You a bullet point on a CV then. So you absolitely need to publish, or try to, early and often. If you don't, you perish. If you can publish, get grants, bring money and prestige to your university or department, you are rewarded. Its hard to find wrong doing, easy to turn a blind eye, or difficulty holding people accountable in the system as it exists because of these pressures and how the process actually works. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
.The number of papers indexed in the databases Scopus and Web of Science, for example, has recently been increasing exponentially, at a rate of 5.6 percent per year. By one estimate, researchers around the globe are devoting a collective 15,000 years of work to peer review every year—work that, if paid, would cost $1.5 billion for the share done in the US alone. Increasingly, researchers are finding it hard to donate that kind of time. Thankfully, Donald Trump defunded all science so this is no longer an issue.
Wiley is worth US$2.8B and pays exactly $0.00 for reviews. I get US$500/hr consulting to Wall street. Listening to publishers whine about unpaid labor is tedious. You want my expert opinion? PAY. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
Dumb question, but what would happen if the act of peer review was a cost that had to be paid? I assume that's the reason why journals have such high fees to read documents, that's how they fund peer review.
peer review is not funded at all. That's the problem. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
Former academic with publications here! Peer reviewers are not paid. Editors often are not either. You work for free for the prestige. Seriously. Journal publishers exploit that and make bank from institutional subscriptions and individual purchases. Its an antiquated system that was meant to produce good science and understanding and has become a beast of burden for thousands of academics with...
With so many journals, no one cares about Editorial prestige any more. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
One would think, but no. That is changing a little in some areas as AI is getting push back. I don't know what the future holds for the academic world, but when I left it was like this: The publish or perish world of academics rewards quantity over quality to a degree. You need to turn one set of findings into multiple papers for multiple journals, push out dozens of papers annually, push out a...
Wrong. Academics are about citations. They care about H-index and i10 index. Many papers no one cares about do not get you anywhere. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
One would think, but no. That is changing a little in some areas as AI is getting push back. I don't know what the future holds for the academic world, but when I left it was like this: The publish or perish world of academics rewards quantity over quality to a degree. You need to turn one set of findings into multiple papers for multiple journals, push out dozens of papers annually, push out a...
that's how it worked before 2025. now the NIH has dried up. And it was never about "prestige", NIH grants come with institutional overheads that used to fund the university. A $2M NIH grant could have overheads of an additional $2M to the institution, and the salaries of researchers came out of these grants, which is unique to the US system. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
I get that you are supposed to get prestige from peer review, but the system is breaking down. What I'm asking is if an independent group got together where they would peer review the research for a fee that can get built into a grant. Or maybe a grant giving research organization builds it in house, where all research performed under a grant goes through their internal peer review with qualifi...
You don't want internal peer review, that's a conflict of interest. |
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its_me_xiphos
beehaw.org
its_me_xiphos@beehaw.org Joined: 2023-12-30 |
If you can publish, get grants, bring money and prestige to your university or department, you are rewarded. Its hard to find wrong doing, easy to turn a blind eye, or difficulty holding people accountable in the system as it exists because of these pressures and how the process actually works. that's how it worked before 2025. now the NIH has dried up. And it was never about "prestige", NIH gr...
It is a combination of money and prestige. The grant, depending on its conditions, funding exactly how you say. But also the prestige to the PI, or grant winner, from winning large grants to fund long term projects, entire research institutes, etc. |
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its_me_xiphos
beehaw.org
its_me_xiphos@beehaw.org Joined: 2023-12-30 |
The publish or perish world of academics rewards quantity over quality to a degree. Wrong. Academics are about citations. They care about H-index and i10 index. Many papers no one cares about do not get you anywhere.
I could have stated it better. The quantity of publications is important. The number of citations is important. The number of high impact journals and citations in those journals is important. |
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Jake Farm
sopuli.xyz
Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2023-04-20 |
One would think, but no. That is changing a little in some areas as AI is getting push back. I don't know what the future holds for the academic world, but when I left it was like this: The publish or perish world of academics rewards quantity over quality to a degree. You need to turn one set of findings into multiple papers for multiple journals, push out dozens of papers annually, push out a...
Sounds unsustainable and toxic |
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its_me_xiphos
beehaw.org
its_me_xiphos@beehaw.org Joined: 2023-12-30 |
Sounds unsustainable and toxic
In my experience, yes. Its not great. Chronicle of Higher Education and The Conversation have good articles on the publication process. The writers there do a better job exploring the process, and its pros/cons, than I can in this space. |
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