Link: https://www.androidauthority.com/fairphone-6-plus-colors-specs-price-3696546/

The SoC appears to be a 7% CPU/GPU perf bump according to Qualcomm. No info on North American compatibility yet.

the big irony to me, is everytime they announce a new one, i want to upgrade to it, but im supposed to stay on my old phone until it is barely usable.

My phone is 8 years old.
I really need a new one, but i also need a keyboard...

So it will be the clicks communicator.... Hope it will come in a good shape :)

Consumption under capitalism something something

If the cameras were significantly improved, I'd probably upgrade and gift my current FP6 to my niece. Looks like they're exactly the same though. For my use cases, I don't see any point in having more RAM or a better SoC in my phone, FP6 will serve me just fine on that front for many years.

I feel pretty good about getting refurbished phones.

Speaking of the cam, I find it quite good. It's comparable to Pixel a-series. What sucks for me is that it's not consistent. That's entirely software though.

Think of new phone models as refreshes for people in the market at the time, rather than something you need to get. If you have a good phone from the last 5 years or so, you are not missing out on anything.

Can always sell. It's an upgrade to somebody.

The Murena tax on these items is crazy. 34% increase in prices to have them shipped to US.

Wow that's a lot. I imported mine from Clove UK.

It's not an option for me if it can't run GrapheneOS unfortunately.

I still have my 4. Wonderful phones!

Pretty sure the Bootloader in unlockable (at least they were in the past?) and support(ed) mainline Linux kernel for an actual Linux mobile OS.

Idk, to me that sounds way better than staying on a google device.

The good thing about fairphones is that they are still great secondhand, so you could pass the fairphone bug onto someone else who needs a new phone with your old phone and get the newer one for yourself I guess

Same, but I've been holding out on my FP4 for almost 5 years. This shit is neigh indestructible with how much I let it fall on the floor. Had to buy a back plate twice though.

So that means they'll fix it through a software patch, right?

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They'll fix it through a software patch... right?

An unlocked bootloader for a user that cares about physical security and privacy is a show-stopper. It basically gives up the keys to the kingdom, with a smile.

The ability to run true Linux is nice though.

E: word

I don't even see the option to send it to the US

It can take nice pictures, but as you say, it's not consistent. I'm not sure it's entirely software. Even using GCam software, about 30-40% of my pictures end up being wobbly. My Pixel 4a made much better pictures on average. Also, videos seem to have frequent stutters. Then there's the wideangle camera, which I'd consider pretty unusable quality-wise.

I love that fairphones have kept the SD card slot. Now make them a bit smaller and they'd be perfect.

This is what most people I know do, the only exceptions being tech enthusiasts and people with fuck-you money

Now if only we could get the headphone jack 😭

Could you explain further please?

What is so bad about the unlocked bootloader? Can't you relock it?

I see the price tag and lol, but then remember that all the big name flagship and even midrange phones have similar sticker prices. But then I have to ask whether the typical user actually pays the amount up front for a Pixel 10 or whatever. I'd expect it's instead baked into subscription pricing where you get the phone at a large "discount" with a 2 year contract or whatever.

I do have a family member who bought a new iphone 13 when they were $700 or so but I couldn't see doing that myself. My $200 Moto G hardware does everything that I want my phone hardware to do. It's just the software lockdowns that I'd want to escape from. If I could run Graphene or whatever on similar hardware I'd be right there, no need for a Fairphone.

I have a very lightweight bluetooth keyboard that's been a good companion to my slab phone.

www.murena.com has the old fair 6. They are listed as the official provider for outside EU

Unlocking the bootloader makes the entire system compromised - an adversary can install malware that persists through reboots or even factory resets, since the security regarding verified boot is disabled; they can decrypt the storage and read, copy it; it is relatively easy for a system to experience privilege escalation, and run admin commands - if the user is aware of it or not.

There's a few other things, and some of it needs an additional step or two, but most things go from 'impossible' to 'trivial'. And when you're facing an adversary (be it a rootkit in an apk, law enforcement, or government agencies) that expect you to be knowledgeable about tech, they will take advantage of the potential holes users might make along the way.

Relocking the bootloader is incredibly rare on custom roms; I know of only one that supports it (gos). Every other rom I've ever used, so in the 50+ range, doesn't worry about it. So usually the only way to relock is to revert to factory.

Thank you!

I think i've heard graphene-heads say the Pixels have some specific hardware features that make them more secure and is the reason graphene only works on them. Still i'm not gonna give google any money, i'd rather vote with my wallet and get an FP next

No problem :)

My phone has it’s 10th birthday next year, only thing I think I’m missing is 5G, and probably vital security updates.

Not interested unless and until they decide to put the headphone jack back in. Removing it was not "fair", nor was their nonsense justification.

Buying a Google phone and then removing all the Google stuff actually costs Google money.

I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case, but is there a source for this?

Why is it USB 2.0? This would have been a great chance to undo the downgrade when they released the base version.

That's what she said

I don't have a source (and am not who you replied to), but it could be that Google sells Pixels at a slight loss in an effort to get more people on the platform. Maybe not loss, in the traditional sense, but more so in that they build getting people into the Google ecosystem into the price.

For sure, and that's where I thought they were going with it. But unless there is a source for how much it cost google to have the phone made, and how much they're expecting to make back with users in their ecosystem, it's just guess work.

I'd probably get a pixel for my next phone if this were the case, but I'd want to be sure.

Yes, you can relock the bootloader, though only with official builds

https://doc.e.foundation/os/learn/bootloader-relocking#relocking

The trouble is the bootloader is often not relockable with a custom avb key

The only OEM with official support for relocking the boot loader with a custom avb key is Google sadly

i do think 6+ is more of an incremental upgrade and i dont need it. my phone works great, pretty much the only games i play on my phone are via steamlink or retroarch.

i had the fp5 imported into the US, but when my usb started wearing out and i tried to get a new one it was a huge pain to get here. decided to get the 6 bc they actually sell parts here.

im slightly worried theyll do something like partner with postmarketos and make the 7 work flawlessly under linux at launch. it would be a great thing, but damn guys give me a reason to not buy the next model! lol

Yes, you can relock it. There is quite a bit of misinformation in this thread, I'm not sure why. As you can see from this chart, bootloader locking is available with iodéOS across multiple devices (including Fairphones), not just Pixels.

Thats what every woman said 😭

say /s bro please bro.

This is blatant disinformation. CalyxOS requires a relockable bootloader with their AVB key to support, and they support Fairphone, Motorola, Shift and in the past have supported OnePlus and Xiomi in addition to Google.

https://calyxos.org/docs/guide/device-support/

The reason Graphene is only on Pixels is due to the Titan security chip on Pixels being so vital to the GrapheneOS security profile.

LineageOS via avbroot, CalyxOS and iodéOS all support bootloader relocking.

Is calyx still a thing? I used to use it years ago. iode is a new one to me :o

Yeah CalyxOS just came back from a hiatus due to some internal drama, and iodéOS is a French based ROM that is based on LineageOS.

CalyxOS has made some pretty nice QoL changes in the last few years that I really appreciate (Seedvault backups, Per-app, per connection type firewalling, Work profile ootb, VPN sharing over all profiles)

iodeOS offers bootloader relocking on devices that support it, and they support devices longer than Calyx & Graphene for Eco. sustainability, but you do still run the risk of the proprietary hardware drivers having vulnerabilities. I tried it out for a bit but it wasnt for me.

Where is it? I don't see one.