No, the people who control the state are not these people. These are the ignorant people that are used by the people who control the state.

This is why they hate immigrants. There are a Brazilian of them...

For a lot of people, science is just a matter of believing in something someone tells you, no different from religion...

You are not wrong but Jesus wasn't against group prayer, he intended on building a church a few pages later

Matthew 16:18

And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

You should have referenced a couple of pages after that where he has something direct to say about preachers

Matthew 23:8-12

“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. The greatest among you will be your servant. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

Jesus had some pretty rad opinions even if his reasoning was often flaky

The Venn Diagram of People who believe a literal interpretation of the Bible & People who don't know how to write well, is pretty much a circle within a circle.

Mind you, the amount of work that went into planting all that fake evidence is a pretty strong indicator that, by far, Scientists are the people whose opinion God cares the most about.

Yeah pretty much none of the oligarchy is religious. They're all sociopaths who use those idiots..

Yes, sure, he's a little flaky. But God is just so perfect, all loving, and timeless...

Exodus 21:20-21:

Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

So when someone complains like this, you ask them if they are saying God can't create 300 million year old caves when he created the world?

Just like the dinosaur bones, god created the bones and placed them there. They do not disprove any thing.

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That would gladly pay the taxes if it means they get to force their religion on people. They already openly.defy election law by endorsing candidates and "vote yes on prop 66” statements during services, inviting prosecution because they expect to win in court.

I believe uranium only gets to exist from having previously been lead, and eventually decays back into lead.

Excellent point!

Ok, I guess I'm too lost to christian logic... Where exactly the 6000-6500 years figure is supposed to come from?

Pretty sure it's based on all the "so and so who was 300 years old begat so and so who lived to 250 years old etc"

It's from big James Usher trying to pretend the Torah was historical for lolz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology

It's like a Temu Sumerian Kings List

Matthean Jesus is cut your balls off for god levels of wild.

I'm not sure one can just pick lines out of random Gospels as 'what Jesus said', the US got really weird with that a while back with a red letter 4 gospel meme thing going viral.

“God put those fossils there to test our faith!”

Always gets me.

They’d sooner believe that their god would lie to them rather than that they’re wrong.

Of course it can be! Where is your faith? God's ways are unfathomable!

Well I'm pretty sure you can boil ALL science down to a simple equation. 1 + 1 = 2. Then science is built up from that. Until 1 + 1 isn't equal to 2, I'll go ahead and trust in science.

Oh that's horrible, why would you do this to yourself? 😂

Not to them, their god lies to SCIENTISTS and not THEM! They know better than to follow the false breadcrumbs left by their almighty.

wow… talk about unexpecteddadjoke…

What's more... The age of the earth is never mentioned in the Bible. They just counted the years roughly using the genealogies in the various books.

These people just believe what they're told by the clergy of whatever version of Christianity they aspire to.

Yes, Lead-204 is primordial, not radiogenic.

for a second there I thought this was an atheist saying that the cave guide was spouting info from a religious perspective and therefore the information was wrong.

how disappointing.

Meme? I've got a red letter Bible from the 70s.

Setting Jesus' birth on December 25, 0001CE, and then working backwards through all the "And Fleggorath lived a hundred and sixty-eight years and begat Smacko, who lived four hundred and twenty two years and begat Yalky"s until you hit Adam. You arrive at something like 4004BCE. Add the 2025 years since and you get 6029 years. I've seen some wackos claim to have calculated it to the day.

For some context, writing emerged in Mesopotamia and Egypt around 3200BCE, and the oldest known cave painting, a hand print on Muna Island in Indonesia, is over 67,000 years old and was made by a Neanderthal, not a Human.

I grew up in a religious sect that believed this. I was a young earth Creationist but never bought into the 6-7,000 year age of earth variety. That seemed obviously forced to me. I didn’t think the genealogies proved much of anything because they aren’t internally consistent . I also believed in evolution, just not as a theory of origin.

That said, even as someone who could accept a 20,000 year age of earth, I never felt the need to interrupt others in public. I recognized it wasn't going to convince anyone and was just a dick move. I think most Creationists also view these people as weird assholes.

Had to read it twice too

Not only do many religions/sects think they have worked out it out to the day, many also work in the other direction. They read way too much into the various prophecies in Daniel and Revelations, etc, and have claimed to worked out the exact day that Jesus will return. One such example was known as "The great disappointment"

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I'm not sure one can just pick lines out of random Gospels as 'what Jesus said',

That's literally how Christianity works. I don't know of any denomination that follows the entire Bible exactly. It's not even possible because the text is self-contradictory in places.

in places.

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Red letters bibles were meme'ing hard in the US before the 1970's but the 70's is where memetics pops up as a theory afair.

A bit like apples were falling before Newton figured out it's because we live in a clockwork universe.

I think creationists are weird arseholes who just keep their shit quiet when they know they are outnumbered

They get plenty mouthy when they feel bold enough

Because they're stupid, and ignorant, and incredibly insecure (because they know they're stupid) when they hear intelligent people talk of things that are beyond their understanding

I have been told that their god made time move at different rates, just because, and that's why it's different according to physics vs their fairytale

And the incest

contradiction kinda the point, there's four gospels even just in the mainline canon

if one can't cope with contradictions there is little point in even attempting to approach scripture

Recorded human history doesn't go back 10'000 years. It's closer to 5000 years.

Your christian perspective is skewed. You should re-align it with the real, existing world.

And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

Peter was demonstrably a superstitious idiot throughout the gospels. Jesus was just letting us all know what kind of people would be in charge of the organized religions with his name on them.

Humanity in 6k years would be quite the speedrun at a humorous glance.

Any other perspective arguing this is absolute lunacy.

I think similar thoughts toward those who harbor these opinions about Creationists.

40% of Americans are Creationists. If they were all as you say, these things would happen to all of us all day, every day. But they don’t because most Creationists are capable of nuanced thinking and don’t stereotype everyone who disagrees with them.

A Bishop and their sheep.

Wait. If God lies to you, is it blasphemy to call Him out on it?

While that is a valid argument for someone to make, I'd counter by saying that science is fundamentally built on the idea of empiricism and falsifiability.

With enough time, money, and the right equipment you could theoretically retrace every discovery science has ever made, from the stone age to the modern day Dr. Stone style.

Whereas the same really cannot be said for Religion. You can't test for God. You can't discover a miracle. There's no hard evidence, only belief.

You're very much right. Complex writing systems like we have now begin around 4000-5000 years ago.
You can get closer to the right number with proto-writing systems, but unfortunately just barely within what the Christian faith allows.

I guess the Christians can take the W on that one, discounting all over physical evidence of humanity's existence beyond 6500 years ago.