Fuck Linux

All my homies use FreeDOS

Fuck FreeDOS

All my homies use Plan9

Fuck plan9

All my homies use EFI SHELL

I feel like the meme got it backwards. People fussing over WMs in the middle, while newbies and veterans just using whatever comes by default on Fedora

In defense of the creators of Unix, you cannot fuck plan9.

I have a pocket pussy that uses plan9 for its OS

Everything on Qubes

Not all terminals are black!!

Using Fedora without codecs?

I can't use Linux, it's too hard!

• Mint exists, and so does LMDE for those who don't like Ubuntu for whatever reason. Also, Devuan is a thing for those who don't like systemd, but still want an easy onboarding path.

Give me at least windows 98 levels or I'm not touching linux

I know you’re trying to be helpful, but I clicked the link, sure that I was ready. Now I’m scared again.

I’ve got a laptop to give it a go. Gonna save the good files and let err rip. It always comes down to just wanting something that works. I really would rather learn something else with my limited spare time.

Still scared. Getting closer to making the switch every day though.

I don't wear hats cos am busy using debian

Oh Im deeply aware those exist. My daily is Debian Stable.

The whole idea of someone not being sure if they want to use Linux while having an aversion to systemd, a system they likely don’t even have full context for, is just bizarre.

You’re either new and don’t know what you want or you’re someone who already knows well enough if Linux is for you or not, and likely exactly which version you want to use.

I'm the idiot who tries -Up

Flags have always been poorly standardized outside of system apps and tools. Generally, -u should equal --update (and depending on how the app was written, may warn for --up: "Did you mean --update?") Single tick flags are generally combinable: -ua or -ls. I have seen long single tick flags somewhere, but can't remember where. (Your -update example.) Various python libraries than handle flags have helped a ton with getting people to use the same patterns, so that is nice.

You just summed up my first experience with systemd many years ago.

systemctl != sysctl. Both somehow got wedged into the same index in my brain and took years for me to correct. On top of that, was reversed to . (Or was it the other way around?)

I was convinced from my first experience with systemd that the person who wrote it was the purest form of evil. (It's leveled out a bit over the years, so it's tolerable to use these days. Still not a fan though.)

Exactly. The only thing a new user is really going to care about or even notice is if their hardware is well supported in first install and that the desktop environment feels like what they are used to. All of the fighting about things like systemd, snap, flatpak, deb vs rpm, etc are somewhere between a distraction and scary sounding words.

I would say we should burn the light-mode heritics, but they've already done it to their own eyes.

You should try "the fuck". Wrong command? Just type fuck! It will fix itself. 100% AI free.

My dream is the Linux kernel with the BeOS/Haiku filesystem and display system on top. It could easily put Wayland to shame and gaming would be pretty awesome.

My other dream is Haiku having as much hardware and software support as modern Linux. Imagine running a version of qemu kvm on an os that already screams.

Neither will happen but I can still wish.

Someone could just read into it regardless of what OS they're on and decide from there if they want systemd or not.

It’s still somewhat early days, but you might want to check out https://v-os.dev/

I’ve also been playing with Haiku on an old laptop and it’s pretty decent as a daily driver for the basics.

*heretics

And I wouldn't be so sure that light mode is more harmful than dark mode and not vice versa.

Right, but if they’re technically advanced enough to care about system management at that level, they really can’t expect a comfortable and easy introduction. Hence the point of them already knowing what they want by that point.

Linux has a wide selection of GUIs. For those comfortable with Windows I would recommend either Mint's Cinnamon or KDE.

systemd would be a fantastic OS if only it had an init system.

A clone of MS DOS Shell and maybe Win 3.1 is all anyone really needs.

Omg this is so peak gonna be my next distro hop fixation.
They are about to get a lot of github pull requests

What comes default on fedora KDE spin

Ok I was kidding I actually love my systemdOSd it runs seamlessly on my IBM systemdbookd so fuck FreeDOS and everything else cause they aren't d

Fuck EFI SHELL.

All my Amish brothers and sisters use a Typewriter.

yeah, my first boot into KDE Plasma (technically Linux Mint/ Cinnamon) brought me the strange inner peace that i am now used to when I decided to try Windows vista on an old PC (at least the first few minutes, you really can't do anything without a graphics card).

Don't most GUI's follow the same ancient desktop paradigms? Nevermind W98, they were there in Windows 1.x and in UNIX window systems like W before 1985, and I even remember DOS TUI's in products made by Borland as early as 1983 that basically worked the same.

Depends on the ambiental conditions and the brightness;
If you use dark mode outside? That's kinda on you if you get eye strain

Gnome is trying to do their whole "Macintosh with a concussion" thing, there's a handful of tiling window managers that are difficult to describe, but...kinda yeah. Most of us also use QWERTY keyboards that date to the 19th century.

Def possible

GUI has the fundamental advantage that you can mostly find your way around without having to know commands, syntax, file paths etc. That's a huge advantage for the vast majority of users.

Can you explain why are you fond of haiku? What are it's strong points?

I had it in a VM, and liked the UI design. It was retro and unique. but that's about it.

Eaglemode had something going on.

its a very solid and user friendly gui/desktop oriented operating system

Somehow I am all three of these people at the same time.

the big one for me is tagged filesystems. they exist on other oses but beos embraced them fully, and haiku does the same.

"music" is no longer a directory, but a view of your filesystem that shows everything tagged "music". you want everything from an artist, or a year, or a genre? just create that directory and they're in there.

Hmmmm. The tagging approach seems interesting.

Turns fs structure from tree hierarchy to graph hierarchy

Can't and don't want to are two different things.

Why is it constantly booting to a black screen with text?

This is easy, just install steam and go

Ahh the beauty of this Debian server, don't even need to get out of my sofa because I have SSH on my phone.

TUI enjoyer 😏

I tried a few distros but eventually settled on mint because it largely just works for me

The filesystem is basically a database and files have associated metadata like a description or whatever, searches are nearly instant. The email app for example uses this, I've never seen anything even come close to how well this worked.

Under the hood it uses a server model for pretty much everything.

The programming APIs are elegant.

There's a lot to it you wouldn't have noticed immediately by just starting it and opening a few apps.