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LadyButterfly she/her piefed.blahaj.zone LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone
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ZDL lazysoci.al ZDL@lazysoci.al
Joined: 2025-06-06
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Women as a group owe nothing to men as a group.

Period.

We do not owe men a smile. We do not owe men "looking our best". We do not owe men emotional support. We do not owe men attention. We do not owe men conversation. We do not owe men sex.

We can grant these to men of our choosing. None of them are owed.

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Ada lemmy.blahaj.zone ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2023-01-02
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Pretty much all of them.

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Tar_Alcaran sh.itjust.works Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-10-06
#4 · (edited) Quote Reply

Women as a group owe nothing to men as a group. Period. We do not owe men a smile. We do not owe men "looking our best". We do not owe men emotional support. We do not owe men attention. We do not owe men conversation. We do not owe men sex. We can grant these to men of our choosing. None of them are owed.

Exactly. They get basic human decency like everyone, until they show that they don't deserve it. And everything else is granted on a case by case basis.

Honestly, that's my method regardless of gender or sex

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sunbrrnslapper lemmy.world sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-10
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Less than a hill I'd die in, and more of a privately held belief: women are, generally speaking, better than men at most things (some exceptions exist). It's not that there aren't smart/great men out there. I just think their female peers tend to do a better job.

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velma sh.itjust.works velma@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-05-07
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Misandry doesn't exist.

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Wren lemmy.today Wren@lemmy.today
Joined: 2025-11-04
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Sports were invented an curated over time by men who only selected men to learn and play. Given equal opportunity to shape and influence sports culture, women could compete on an even playing field with men.

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Wren lemmy.today Wren@lemmy.today
Joined: 2025-11-04
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Less than a hill I'd die in, and more of a privately held belief: women are, generally speaking, better than men at most things (some exceptions exist). It's not that there aren't smart/great men out there. I just think their female peers tend to do a better job.

The best kitchen crew I ever ran was all women, with the sole man being the absolute worst employee I ever had - who quit because he didn't like working with women. He probably just heard I wanted to fire him and got out the door before I could.

I don't think women are innately better, but they have learned to work harder and better to avoid disproportionate scrutiny and critcism compared to their male peers.

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Zizzy piefed.blahaj.zone Zizzy@piefed.blahaj.zone
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Sports were invented an curated over time by men who only selected men to learn and play. Given equal opportunity to shape and influence sports culture, women could compete on an even playing field with men.

I fully believe this. Most of the difference is societal. Men DO have a strength, height and weight advantage, but its not as extreme as people think, and those three qualities don't automatically make someone the best option for a sport. This is especially true and apparent in things like e-sports where men have ZERO inherent advantage, but overwhelming societal advantage to be better.

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Suck_on_my_Presence lemmy.world Suck_on_my_Presence@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-07
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Sports were invented an curated over time by men who only selected men to learn and play. Given equal opportunity to shape and influence sports culture, women could compete on an even playing field with men.

When looking back through time, even our neanderthal relatives believed this. Their societies were egalitarian. Women hunted. Men raised babies. Men foraged alongside women. Everyone was included.

It's theorized that when the plow became the object we used for a lot of our agrarian needs that gender roles started appearing. The plow took a lot of upper body strength, which men had more of, and that left women sorta without a job, so they ended up minding the home and children more often. Not to say women couldn't handle the plow, it was just harder.

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wezzzy lemmy.blahaj.zone wezzzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2024-02-24
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Misandry doesn't exist.

In the has to be instetutional or it does not happen way or sm else?

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velma sh.itjust.works velma@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-05-07
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In the has to be instetutional or it does not happen way or sm else?

It doesn’t exist the way misogyny does.

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applebusch (she/her) lemmy.blahaj.zone applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2024-11-11
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Sports were invented an curated over time by men who only selected men to learn and play. Given equal opportunity to shape and influence sports culture, women could compete on an even playing field with men.
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velma sh.itjust.works velma@sh.itjust.works
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Women having the ability to play on an even playing field with men isn't the same as saying all women would have an even playing field with men. I think that distinction is where the important difference is between your comment and Wren's comment.

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revelrous sopuli.xyz revelrous@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2023-06-06
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But if women were participating in the evolution of sports culture would the methods of playing, and the resulting games created, end up rewarding pure physical force as much?

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Wren lemmy.today Wren@lemmy.today
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Sports and culture have been dominated by men who have not only curated sports most suited to their mechanical advantages, but have also created a culture where men are more supported when it comes to getting into those activities. So, men have the advantage of sports that are more suited to their bodies and also a broader pool of participants compared to women.

This is why I included: "Given equal opportunity to shape and influence sports culture..." Meaning that women have capabilities which aren't favored in most current physical performance events because we have little to no say in the creation and rules of sporting events.

Women have some physical advantages over men, but hardly any give us an advantage in male dominated events that favor strength and speed. On average, woman have better vision with more colour definition, our hearts are closer to our brains so we can withstand higher G forces, and our lower center of gravity gives us better balance. We make great sharpshooters, pilots, golfers and gymnasts because of these advantages.

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