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Image of a man pointing a gun at his own foot.

Caption: Installing an AUR package without reading it's PKGBUILD.

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call_me_xale lemmy.zip call_me_xale@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2023-07-23
#2 · Quote Reply

I usually do, but I don't really know what I should be looking for. What are some red flags?

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First_Thunder lemmy.zip First_Thunder@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-06-26
#3 · Quote Reply

I usually do, but I don't really know what I should be looking for. What are some red flags?

Suddenly an npm command to some random package appearing in an update

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Malix sopuli.xyz Malix@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2023-07-24
#4 · (edited) Quote Reply

I usually do, but I don't really know what I should be looking for. What are some red flags?

as the other commenter said, but worth echoing:

  • is it suddenly using npm to install/run something? (iirc this was the attack vector for most packages that were infected)
  • suddenly added some weird extra wget/curl/whatever to packaging methods to fetch something weird?
  • are the package's sources (eg. github urls) legit?

Generally you should be aware of who'se software you're installing -> check if it's downloading the stuff from right place, and nothing extra. The PKGBUILD changes in the aur website are pretty good indicator if something has changed and how.

edit: npm itself, or it's usage isn't bad - but it is quite suspicious if the AUR package isn't for some webapp or so.

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printf("%s", name); piefed.blahaj.zone akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2026-03-30
#5 · (edited) Quote Reply

I usually do, but I don't really know what I should be looking for. What are some red flags?

This video taught me a lot.

Check the list of dependencies. If you really want to vet the package, look through all of the dependencies listed and read their package descriptions on their source page (github, gitlab, codeberg, whathaveyou). Check also the URL, from which makepkg (or yay or whatever) is going to pull some of the data. Is the URL legit?

PKGBUILD of *localsend*
# Maintainer: NourEddineX  
# Contributor: Nixuge  
# Contributor: Noah Vogt <noah@noahvogt.com>  
# Contributor: SpieringsAE (aarch64 addition)  

# Note: 
# using the .deb instead of the .tar.gz as it already contains the icons as well as the .desktop file.  

pkgname=localsend-bin  
pkgver=1.18.0  
pkgrel=1  
pkgdesc='An open source cross-platform alternative to AirDrop'  

LOOK HERE  
url=https://github.com/localsend/LOCALSEND  
LOOK HERE  

arch=('x86_64' 'aarch64')  
license=(Apache-2.0)  

LOOK HERE  
depends=(fuse2 xdg-user-dirs libayatana-appindicator)  
LOOK HERE  

conflicts=('localsend')  
provides=('localsend')  
options=(!debug)  
source_x86_64=("${url}/releases/download/v${pkgver}/LocalSend-${pkgver}-linux-x86-64.deb")  
source_aarch64=("${url}/releases/download/v${pkgver}/LocalSend-${pkgver}-linux-arm-64.deb")  
sha256sums_x86_64=('dae68192ad43a59a68df06454eb5fa4e9a9f86a343fe430165efd8b18863d0f4')  
sha256sums_aarch64=('eb24e724fbdf830c8fb07dfc66b76b8a649923d083278305a63d5d539db4b606')  
_pkgdesktop="localsend_app.desktop"  


prepare() {  
	tar -xf data.tar.zst  
}  

build() {  
	sed -i -E \  
		"s|Exec=localsend_app|Exec=localsend|" \  
		"${srcdir}/usr/share/applications/${_pkgdesktop}"  

	# Adjust .desktop to have it point to the correct icon  
	sed -i -E 's/^Icon=.+/Icon=localsend/' "${srcdir}/usr/share/applications/${_pkgdesktop}"  
}  

package() {  
	# Desktop  
	install -Dm644 "${srcdir}/usr/share/applications/${_pkgdesktop}" "${pkgdir}/usr/share/applications/${pkgname%-*}.desktop" 
	

	# Icons  
	install -dm644 "${pkgdir}/usr/share/icons/"  
	cp -a "${srcdir}/usr/share/icons" "${pkgdir}/usr/share"  
	# Dirty - rename icons to localsend  
	for res in "128x128" "256x256"; do  
		mv "${pkgdir}/usr/share/icons/hicolor/${res}/apps/localsend_app.png" "${pkgdir}/usr/share/icons/hicolor/${res}/apps/localsend.png"  
	done  


	# Executable  
	install -dm755 "${pkgdir}/opt/${pkgname%-*}/"  
	cp -a "${srcdir}/opt/localsend_app/." "${pkgdir}/opt/${pkgname%-*}"  
	# Same as icons - rename to localsend  
	mv "${pkgdir}/opt/${pkgname%-*}/localsend_app" "${pkgdir}/opt/${pkgname%-*}/localsend"  

	# Symlink executable  
	install -dm755 "${pkgdir}/usr/bin"  
	ln -s \  
		"/opt/${pkgname%-*}/${pkgname%-*}" \  
		"${pkgdir}/usr/bin/${pkgname%-*}"  
}  
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NaibofTabr infosec.pub NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
Joined: 2023-06-18
#6 · Quote Reply

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RustyNova lemmy.world RustyNova@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-11-24
#7 · Quote Reply

I don't even read the nix files I install from lol

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Lung lemmy.world lung@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-21
#8 · Quote Reply

I usually do, but I don't really know what I should be looking for. What are some red flags?

Get AI to read it, it'll be 90% good enough

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houndeyes toast.ooo houndeyes@toast.ooo
Joined: 2024-07-29
#9 · Quote Reply

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dwt feddit.org dwt@feddit.org
Joined: 2024-06-22
#10 · Quote Reply

I usually do, but I don't really know what I should be looking for. What are some red flags?

I think that the whole concept of sharing user repos to install packages is sadly not really good anymore. Because now it suddenly exposes that there is usually neither a trust anchor to that repo, nor an established review and fix process for such things.

I‘d say, just use the community maintained official package sources for now.

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Azzu leminal.space Azzu@leminal.space
Joined: 2026-05-10
#11 · (edited) Quote Reply

I mean how often do you install AUR packages? Usually takes like a minute or so to skim through PKGbuild and the pkg comments and look for obvious issues. And most updates are just a sha hash and version change, taking like 5s to check.

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MalReynolds slrpnk.net MalReynolds@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2023-06-25
#12 · Quote Reply

If possible do it in a distrobox and down networking before running, yes that won't stop the curl | sh in the install, but at least you can blow it away without hurting your main install and it will likely infect only the distrobox. Bonus points for an immutable main OS.

As the whole supply chain attack vector gets more sophisticated, and probably subtler in effect, these are going to be harder and harder to spot and likely start making it into main repos. Keep sharp people.

Not real fun for a linuxmemes post, but I think it needs saying.

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massive_bereavement fedia.io massive_bereavement@fedia.io
Joined: 2024-06-14
#13 · Quote Reply

Get AI to read it, it'll be 90% good enough

That might work until they realize people are doing it and then just add the right circumventions. After all I can test my exploit and see if Claude or Gemini can find it, and polish it until they don't.

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Nalivai lemmy.world Nalivai@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-30
#14 · Quote Reply

I'm running Arch daily since 2015, was on Debian before. I install and try a lot of stuff. Never had anything bad happened to me once. Worst case scenario the shit I just installed didn't work so I have to debug it.
Not endorsing this apparently dangerous lifestyle, but also a little bit maybe

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Jesus_666 lemmy.world Jesus_666@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-04-03
#15 · Quote Reply

If you want a bunch of stuff that's not in core or extra and you don't want to intensely babysit the AUR, you could try Chaotic-AUR. It hosts prebuilt packages for a bunch of AUR packages which are actively maintained by the Chaotic team.

I consider it to be more secure than the AUR proper since they actually care for their packages and review nontrivial changes. For instance, the recent takeover attacks didn't hit Chaotic-AUR builds since the changed packages didn't make it past the review.

It's still an unofficial third-party repository and closer to the AUR than to extra but I consider it a major step up.

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Zachariah lemmy.world Zachariah@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-13
#16 · Quote Reply

If you want a bunch of stuff that's not in core or extra and you don't want to intensely babysit the AUR, you could try Chaotic-AUR. It hosts prebuilt packages for a bunch of AUR packages which are actively maintained by the Chaotic team. I consider it to be more secure than the AUR proper since they actually care for their packages and review nontrivial changes. For instance, the recent takeov...

Yes, but is it good, neutral, or evil?

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Baŝto discuss.tchncs.de basxto@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-07-22
#17 · (edited) Quote Reply

I mean how often do you install AUR packages? Usually takes like a minute or so to skim through PKGbuild and the pkg comments and look for obvious issues. And most updates are just a sha hash and version change, taking like 5s to check.

I need a better wrapper that shows me diffs since last build. I’m too lazy for this

Also pulling in release messages from git etc would be nice

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Baŝto discuss.tchncs.de basxto@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-07-22
#18 · Quote Reply

Yes, but is it good, neutral, or evil?

it is arch

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Baŝto discuss.tchncs.de basxto@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-07-22
#19 · Quote Reply

I'm running Arch daily since 2015, was on Debian before. I install and try a lot of stuff. Never had anything bad happened to me once. Worst case scenario the shit I just installed didn't work so I have to debug it. Not endorsing this apparently dangerous lifestyle, but also a little bit maybe

Not updating AUR packages saved me from the last incedent 🙃I had 6 or sth packages installed who were in the list

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deathmetal27 lemmy.world deathmetal27@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-04
#20 · Quote Reply

Yes, but is it good, neutral, or evil?

Yes

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HereIAm lemmy.world HereIAm@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-02-19
#21 · Quote Reply

I mean how often do you install AUR packages? Usually takes like a minute or so to skim through PKGbuild and the pkg comments and look for obvious issues. And most updates are just a sha hash and version change, taking like 5s to check.

But wasn't the latest AUR attack from a dependancy in the pkgbuild? Going out of your way to review all the dependencies as well is not really possible by just skimming through the script.

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deathmetal27 lemmy.world deathmetal27@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-04
#22 · Quote Reply

I'm running Arch daily since 2015, was on Debian before. I install and try a lot of stuff. Never had anything bad happened to me once. Worst case scenario the shit I just installed didn't work so I have to debug it. Not endorsing this apparently dangerous lifestyle, but also a little bit maybe

This is more important after the recent news of malware on AUR

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N.E.P.T.R lemmy.blahaj.zone Neptr@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2024-11-20
#23 · Quote Reply

If possible do it in a distrobox and down networking before running, yes that won't stop the curl | sh in the install, but at least you can blow it away without hurting your main install and it will likely infect only the distrobox. Bonus points for an immutable main OS. As the whole supply chain attack vector gets more sophisticated, and probably subtler in effect, these are going to be harder...

Distrobox is not an isolated environment, it is quite the opposite. They say so themselves on their page:

Security implications

Isolation and sandboxing are not the main aims of the project, on the contrary it aims to tightly integrate the container with the host. The container will have complete access to your home, pen drive, and so on, so do not expect it to be highly sandboxed like a plain docker/podman container or a Flatpak.

I would argue that Docker isn't a good way to stop malware either, since it is highly vulnerable to sandbox escape leveraging the shared host-guest kernel, like the many of LPEs that have been found in the last few months (example using copy-fail).

Docker is not a secure sandbox, Podman is not a secure sandbox, Flatpak is not a secure sandbox. Use a VM, or better yet, don't use the AUR.

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Sivecano lemmy.dbzer0.com Sivecano@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2023-08-11
#24 · Quote Reply

Someone put my WM on the AUR. I am thus proud to be authoring malware :)

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zitrone 🍋 europe.pub zitrone@europe.pub
Joined: 2026-03-10
#25 · Quote Reply

just use nix instead

we have super secure mechanisms in place to prevent supply chain attacks

/s (nix just hasn't been targeted yet (as far as we know 💀💀))

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Funkt4st1c lemmy.world Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-07-30
#26 · Quote Reply

I'm running Arch daily since 2015, was on Debian before. I install and try a lot of stuff. Never had anything bad happened to me once. Worst case scenario the shit I just installed didn't work so I have to debug it. Not endorsing this apparently dangerous lifestyle, but also a little bit maybe

Yeah same. Aur has been significantly less virus prone than the windows norm (inb4 wut abut winget >;ppp) of "Googling some shit you want and clicking the first website to roll the dice on predatory ads or malware or maybe the thing you wanted"

...not to mention if you have btrfs you can just rollback a month or two and call it a day.

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xylol leminal.space xylol@leminal.space
Joined: 2025-05-20
#27 · Quote Reply

That might work until they realize people are doing it and then just add the right circumventions. After all I can test my exploit and see if Claude or Gemini can find it, and polish it until they don't.

Ask ai how to hide it from ai

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yeehaw lemmy.ca cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2023-08-09
#28 · Quote Reply

I'm running Arch daily since 2015, was on Debian before. I install and try a lot of stuff. Never had anything bad happened to me once. Worst case scenario the shit I just installed didn't work so I have to debug it. Not endorsing this apparently dangerous lifestyle, but also a little bit maybe

I get why we need to do this but most people are not programmers either and probably don't understand wtf they're looking at.

While I understand some of what um looking at, when in just trying to get the updates over with its super annoying to review each aur pkgbuild.

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ElectroLisa piefed.blahaj.zone ElectroLisa@piefed.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2025-06-07
#29 · Quote Reply

STABLE IS FOR HORSES I LOVE GAMBLING

/s

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xthexder l.sw0.com xthexder@l.sw0.com
Joined: 2023-07-09
#30 · Quote Reply

STABLE IS FOR HORSES I LOVE GAMBLING /s

I wish I could give you a second upvote, that's hilarious 😂

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deathmetal27 lemmy.world deathmetal27@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-04
#31 · Quote Reply

STABLE IS FOR HORSES I LOVE GAMBLING /s

Well earned upvote, sir/ma'am.

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OR3X lemmy.world OR3X@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-06-16
#32 · Quote Reply

AUR
Arch UrGettingMalware Repository

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corsicanguppy lemmy.ca corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2023-06-12
#33 · Quote Reply

without reading [it is] pkgbuild

I didn't know it was.

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corsicanguppy lemmy.ca corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2023-06-12
#34 · Quote Reply

just use nix instead we have super secure mechanisms in place to prevent supply chain attacks /s (nix just hasn't been targeted yet (as far as we know 💀💀))

just use nix instead

Maslow, is this your hammer?

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muusemuuse sh.itjust.works muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-06-25
#35 · Quote Reply

Yes, but is it good, neutral, or evil?

It is colorful socks

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devfuuu lemmy.world devfuuu@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-17
#36 · Quote Reply

I need a better wrapper that shows me diffs since last build. I’m too lazy for this Also pulling in release messages from git etc would be nice

paru

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bennypr0fane discuss.tchncs.de bennypr0fane@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-06-16
#37 · Quote Reply

Without reading its PKGBUILD
fixed it for you. The AUR is toast, we have to say goodbye to it now.

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MonkderVierte lemmy.zip MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-05-30
#38 · Quote Reply

Update your desktop only all one or two weeks, get basic protection (adblocker, hosts file), read the news.

It's a peaceful life.

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MonkderVierte lemmy.zip MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-05-30
#39 · (edited) Quote Reply

If possible do it in a distrobox and down networking before running, yes that won't stop the curl | sh in the install, but at least you can blow it away without hurting your main install and it will likely infect only the distrobox. Bonus points for an immutable main OS. As the whole supply chain attack vector gets more sophisticated, and probably subtler in effect, these are going to be harder...

Btw, login uses /bin/sh (or respective), script headers also, all fixed paths; would anything break, if you do alias sh=echo in your session setup script?

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MonkderVierte lemmy.zip MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-05-30
#40 · Quote Reply

Yes, but is it good, neutral, or evil?

I don't think Arch is right for you.

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MonkderVierte lemmy.zip MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-05-30
#41 · Quote Reply

All pointing with fingers to AUR, but the issue was (yet again) with NPM.

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Euphoma lemmy.ml Euphoma@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-04-27
#42 · Quote Reply

just use nix instead we have super secure mechanisms in place to prevent supply chain attacks /s (nix just hasn't been targeted yet (as far as we know 💀💀))

Yeah, I just update all 20 flakes that I sourced from github and pray that none of them were hacked

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chortle_tortle mander.xyz chortle_tortle@mander.xyz
Joined: 2025-06-04
#43 · (edited) Quote Reply

All pointing with fingers to AUR, but the issue was (yet again) with NPM.

Sorry I missed something, how so?

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chortle_tortle mander.xyz chortle_tortle@mander.xyz
Joined: 2025-06-04
#44 · Quote Reply

just use nix instead we have super secure mechanisms in place to prevent supply chain attacks /s (nix just hasn't been targeted yet (as far as we know 💀💀))

/s (nix just hasn’t been targeted yet (as far as we know 💀💀))

Isn't the real security through obscurity just being such a fringe market no one bothers? 🤔

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MonkderVierte lemmy.zip MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-05-30
#45 · Quote Reply

Sorry I missed something, how so?

The compromised packages load a script from thr net that runs a compromised npm package ("atomic-lockfile" 1.4.2).

Ok, also a AUR issue. But more so a NPM one, since they have all full moon two supply-chain attacks.

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realitaetsverlust piefed.zip realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip
Joined: 2025-12-04
#46 · (edited) Quote Reply

I usually do, but I don't really know what I should be looking for. What are some red flags?

I don't mean this in any mean way, but if you don't know what you should be looking for, you probably shouldn't install AUR packages. Just as I wouldn't recommend someone who has never climbed a mountain to try mt everest.

You need to be able to understand the build process before you install anything from the AUR. Everything else is the equivalent of installing random exe's you found on a forum on windows.

Luckily, there's a lot of different videos online regarding the AUR build process, and the archwiki has an excellent article aswell.

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Richard lemmy.world richardisaguy@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-13
#47 · (edited) Quote Reply

Nah, if you really want to live on the bleeding edge you gotta make blindly installing vibecoded junk from shady parts of the AUR part of your workflow

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MalReynolds slrpnk.net MalReynolds@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2023-06-25
#48 · (edited) Quote Reply

Distrobox is not an isolated environment, it is quite the opposite. They say so themselves on their page: Security implications Isolation and sandboxing are not the main aims of the project, on the contrary it aims to tightly integrate the container with the host. The container will have complete access to your home, pen drive, and so on, so do not expect it to be highly sandboxed like a plain ...

Distrobox is not an isolated environment

True, you'll note I didn't say it is sandboxed or isolated, but it is a different environment. Paths that point to normal things like /usr etc. will be in the distrobox environment. That said, unless you use a custom home for the distrobox (you should anyway), your home directory is hosed. At this point I expect the malware to not be distrobox aware and use things like distrobox-host-exec, that may change.

A VM is absolutely a better approach, if significantly more frictional.

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Kangae_Hishiryo scribe.disroot.org Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org
Joined: 2026-04-13
#49 · (edited) Quote Reply

I once found a Rust program that streamlined the PKGBUILD reviewing process a lot by, first of all, giving you a really neat list of patterns and behaviours that would make a PKGBUILD suspicios or even plain dangerous, then having a scriptable rule-based engine that would either abort that operation, or show warns and workarounds to you.

I forgot its name, unfortunately, and I installed it on my previous installation (Garuda, now I'm on CachyOS).

Very dumb of my part not to try to write that down before the OS change lol.

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Kangae_Hishiryo scribe.disroot.org Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org
Joined: 2026-04-13
#50 · (edited) Quote Reply

This video taught me a lot. Check the list of dependencies. If you really want to vet the package, look through all of the dependencies listed and read their package descriptions on their source page (github, gitlab, codeberg, whathaveyou). Check also the URL, from which makepkg (or yay or whatever) is going to pull some of the data. Is the URL legit? ::: spoiler PKGBUILD of localsend # Maintai...

Yeah. There's also some others behaviours to look at.

Like, does the PKGBUILD install the package on some non-standard location?
That's a suspicious behaviour, although it's not an automatic red flag by itself.

Does it execute arbitrary code or any external script (worse if it's Python, Lua or JS)?
That's a HUGE red flag in most of cases.

Does it (ab)uses of AWK, sed and the like? That's also suspicious in a variety of cases.

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merc sh.itjust.works merc@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-09
#51 · Quote Reply

its

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