yea

depends, why do you want vpn in the first place?

proton free isn't bad

privacy mainly, lowkey why im posting it here

imo it's good enough especially when you don't trust your isp/gov

I use the free version on mozilla, it gets the job done. Better than no vpn

i dont really trust them but i also don't think they're untrustworthy

i just like the extra layer of privacy

ouu shii mozilla has a vpn?

It's a add on like a addblocker

ah so theres no system wide app or something?

No unfortunately.

Btw, Mozilla has its own VPN, and I don't recommend using it.

why naut?

I think they pay mullvad. It has a no logs policy. Better than most. I currently use Mullvad but maybe will try proton when it expires as they've had some missteps, but they ain't funding Nazi parties.

There is a system wide app, but it's only for the paid versions.

gotcha

If you're gonna use a free one, might aswell. It's just their barebones service with 3 countries. I don't see why it would be any different from the paid option within the same company. There's no different TOS afaik.

Because Mozilla VPN is a paid service. But actually there are more well-maintained VPN providers available for a decent price with a strict no-log policy. for example, IVPN, Mullvad, Windscribe, Proton, etc., so there is no need to use the Mozilla VPN. Also, Mozilla VPN is based on Mullvad.

aahhh okay

Set up DoH globally for your devices if you need privacy. Something like Adguard DNS.

i use nextdns, its good right?

I don't know. Probably not bad. Large DNS providers tend to be OK unless specifically known to be not OK. Just make sure you really use DoH

Doh and dnssec are more important than a vpn.

Do those first then save up some money and get mullvad.

whats doh and how do you set it up

DNS over https. It transmits your dns requests over https encrypted using tls so that the device handling them over the wire can’t inspect them.

When you type pornhub.com into your browsers address bar your computer doesn’t fucking know what that is so it asks the dns server what it is. Because of history and reasons it asks in plaintext. So your isp can see that a dns request was placed to some dns server for pornhub.com. Your isp could also edit or intercept that request. Isp means whatever WiFi you’re connected to as well. Assuming the isp allows your dns request and the servers response through, your browser will most likely connect to pornhub using https. In that case the isp won’t be able to record that you looked up shrek slime butts sheet cake sitting videos but they will know that you visited pornhub.

Doh prevents that situation.

I don’t know how you set up doh on your system because I don’t know what you’re running or how your dns is configured. I recommend you learn how to set this up yourself and verify that it’s working correctly so you can ensure your own security.

You also need dnssec, as noted above.

interesting examples 😭

i think i have it enabled on my pcs browser (librewolf) and my phones browser (ironfox)

Make sure you also have dnssec set up.

Even with doh set up, your computer reaches out to a dns server and trusts that server is what it claims to be. There are reasons and history that explain this behavior but there are also attacks that take advantage of it. Dnssec performs cryptographic identity verification to make sure you are asking the real dns server where Pornhub.com is as opposed to some on the wire or in the cloud interlocutor that might direct you to a website that looks alike or just sends you somewhere else entirely.

Please read the following in the voice of Glenda the good witch from the wizard of oz, or SpongeBob, or some other character who is on your side and would never say something mean to hurt your feelings, because I am on your side and would never say something mean with the intention of hurting your feelings:

A person who benefits from this kind of explanation would be best served by mullvad over any other vpn because it is much harder to misconfigure mullvad in a way that undoes your privacy goals.

that is true BUT im broke so i cant pay for a vpn rn, AND mullvads ceo has been a naughty boy 😔

Please do me the kindness of again reading this in the most sincere and respectful voice:

It’s best to put your privacy and safety needs above the possible results of a tiny fraction of the money you spend going to a foreign party you dislike.

Doh and dnssec will probably be good enough till you can sock back $20 to mail to Sweden.

free tier of proton vpn

its better than nothing