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Axolotl feddit.it Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it
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As the title says, it's mildly infuriating seeing someone say " cook this at 210° " and stuff like that, we are in a international context!! Do i have to put those cookies in the flames of hell or just around the boiling point of water?!

Edit: the cookie thing was just an example and i throw a random number lol

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aceshigh lemmy.world aceshigh@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-11
#2 · (edited) Quote Reply

Same is true when people tell you their local time and not their time zone.

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MatSeFi lemmy.liebeleu.de MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.de
Joined: 2026-02-18
#3 · (edited) Quote Reply

In international context the International System of Units must be used.
So the ° is wrong it's 'K'. You have to put the cookies in a ice/salt mixture or better frozen CO2

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FuglyDuck lemmy.world FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-15
#4 · Quote Reply

Considering that most cookie recipes are usually at 170c or 350 f to 204c or 400 f, surely you can figure that out from context?

Especially since certain chemical reactions only begin to happen at the low side of that. For example the Maillard reaction enhances the flavor of sugars and such; or double acting baking powder (as well as greatly accelerating the reaction of single acting powder, soda or cream of tartar.)

Low temp ovens would just dry out that cookie or biscuit into dog treats.

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Axolotl feddit.it Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it
Joined: 2025-10-10
#5 · (edited) Quote Reply

Considering that most cookie recipes are usually at 170c or 350 f to 204c or 400 f, surely you can figure that out from context? Especially since certain chemical reactions only begin to happen at the low side of that. For example the Maillard reaction enhances the flavor of sugars and such; or double acting baking powder (as well as greatly accelerating the reaction of single acting powder, so...

Considering that most cookie recipes are usually at 170c or 350 f to 204c or 400 f, surely you can figure that out from context?

Well that was mostly an example, i never made cookies so i just said a random number

Especially since certain chemical reactions only begin to happen at the low side of that. For example the Maillard reaction enhances the flavor of sugars and such; or double acting baking powder (as well as greatly accelerating the reaction of single acting powder, soda or cream of tartar.)

Well, i am not a chemist, i just know a handful of stuff that i can use in everyday life, eg: using hydrogen peroxide to remove blood stained on clothing

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Axolotl feddit.it Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it
Joined: 2025-10-10
#6 · Quote Reply

In international context the International System of Units must be used. So the ° is wrong it's 'K'. You have to put the cookies in a ice/salt mixture or better frozen CO2

That would be ideal but honestly I don't mind too much if someone just uses the °F or °C, i can convert it easly, it's annoying if they don't use any unit at all tho and expect me to just guess

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betterdeadthanreddit lemmy.world betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-06
#7 · Quote Reply

That kind of thing brings my blood to 100°.

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amio lemmy.world amio@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-19
#8 · Quote Reply

As with everything, we know it's all the Americans' fault. Joking. Halfway, anyway - they are a majority of the people who, internationally speaking, wanted to be all precious about this stuff. Although even if they didn't, it'd still seem like "good practice" to include units anyway, though.

The cooking does tend to just be context, though, or at least "same as all the other recipes". There's only so many sane temps to pick for any given thing, and there's a factor of ~2 between the two choices. E.g. if you were baking, 210° is either pretty hot or way too cool for most things.

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Axolotl feddit.it Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it
Joined: 2025-10-10
#9 · Quote Reply

That kind of thing brings my blood to 100°.

I hate this so much, anyway, do you have a fever?

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Mok98 feddit.it Mok98@feddit.it
Joined: 2023-07-01
#10 · Quote Reply

Also if they write 210° it's an angle not a temperature

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Codpiece feddit.uk Codpiece@feddit.uk
Joined: 2025-06-21
#11 · Quote Reply

Don’t even get me started on the yanks thinking cups is an acceptable measurement of both weight and volume.

And how big are we talking? Espresso cup or sports direct mug, because there’s a massive difference.

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Diddlydee feddit.uk Diddlydee@feddit.uk
Joined: 2024-07-23
#12 · (edited) Quote Reply

Don’t even get me started on the yanks thinking cups is an acceptable measurement of both weight and volume. And how big are we talking? Espresso cup or sports direct mug, because there’s a massive difference.

I'm not from the US and don't use it, but a cup there is an actual measurement (for liquid - it's not used to measure weight). 8 fluid ounces or about 240ml. The metric alternative of a US cup is 250ml

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Axolotl feddit.it Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it
Joined: 2025-10-10
#13 · (edited) Quote Reply

Don’t even get me started on the yanks thinking cups is an acceptable measurement of both weight and volume. And how big are we talking? Espresso cup or sports direct mug, because there’s a massive difference.

Usually they mean the imperial unit "cup" i fucking hate imperial...also, it's annoying in this case because you have to guess that it's the imperial unit and not a random cup

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Diddlydee feddit.uk Diddlydee@feddit.uk
Joined: 2024-07-23
#14 · Quote Reply

Same is true when people tell you their local time and not their time zone.

Why do you need their time zone if you know their local time? You'll either be in the same time zone as them, or in one that you can reference your time to theirs.

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dhork lemmy.world dhork@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-15
#15 · (edited) Quote Reply

I'm not from the US and don't use it, but a cup there is an actual measurement (for liquid - it's not used to measure weight). 8 fluid ounces or about 240ml. The metric alternative of a US cup is 250ml

We don't measure weights in cups, but we do measure some ingredients (like flour) by volume, so it's not uncommon here to see a recipe that calls for 1 cup of flour instead of 120g

However, we do use "ounce" to mean both 1/8 of a cup in volume and 1/16 of a pound in weight....

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LifeInMultipleChoice lemmy.world LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-17
#16 · Quote Reply

We don't measure weights in cups, but we do measure some ingredients (like flour) by volume, so it's not uncommon here to see a recipe that calls for 1 cup of flour instead of 120g However, we do use "ounce" to mean both 1/8 of a cup in volume and 1/16 of a pound in weight....

Well that's simply because there's are 2 cups in a pint. So an ounce is 1/16 pint or 1/16 pound.

Never heard someone say mind your cups and pints, they'd have to be a hobbit. (Mind your p's & q's)

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whyNotSquirrel sh.itjust.works whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-10
#17 · Quote Reply

That kind of thing brings my blood to 100°.

is there steam coming out of your ears?

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Mantzy81 aussie.zone Mantzy81@aussie.zone
Joined: 2025-03-09
#18 · Quote Reply

Also if they write 210° it's an angle not a temperature

Always cook facing away from the oven

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whyNotSquirrel sh.itjust.works whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-10
#19 · Quote Reply

Also if they write 210° it's an angle not a temperature

yeah and the Angles are a tribe, basically Germans in England

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TIEPilot lemmy.world TIEPilot@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-15
#20 · Quote Reply

I work in metric as an American, my industry is probably the only one that works in metric world wide. Temp is mixed

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TheRealKuni piefed.social TheRealKuni@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-07-29
#21 · Quote Reply

That kind of thing brings my blood to 100°.

I would expect it to be a bit higher than 100° what with all the non-water stuff in there.

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Axolotl feddit.it Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it
Joined: 2025-10-10
#22 · Quote Reply

I work in metric as an American, my industry is probably the only one that works in metric world wide. Temp is mixed

What industry is that?

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craftrabbit lemmy.zip craftrabbit@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-07-04
#23 · Quote Reply

Also if they write 210° it's an angle not a temperature

Wait is that in degrees or gradians?

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MatSeFi lemmy.liebeleu.de MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.de
Joined: 2026-02-18
#24 · Quote Reply

That would be ideal but honestly I don't mind too much if someone just uses the °F or °C, i can convert it easly, it's annoying if they don't use any unit at all tho and expect me to just guess

True, however the "convert it easily" part is getting tricky as soon as you deal with seismic activities or radio nuclides.

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NeatNit discuss.tchncs.de NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2024-01-05
#25 · Quote Reply

Usually they mean the imperial unit "cup" i fucking hate imperial...also, it's annoying in this case because you have to guess that it's the imperial unit and not a random cup

To add insult to injury, a US cup is 236.6 millilitres, while a UK (imperial) cup is 170.48 millilitres. Not even close. There's a whole lot of other measurements called "cup" too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cup_(unit)

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Axolotl feddit.it Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it
Joined: 2025-10-10
#26 · Quote Reply

To add insult to injury, a US cup is 236.6 millilitres, while a UK (imperial) cup is 170.48 millilitres. Not even close. There's a whole lot of other measurements called "cup" too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cup_(unit)

I wanna kms at this point

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Mac mander.xyz Mac@mander.xyz
Joined: 2023-06-14
#27 · Quote Reply

Usually they mean the imperial unit "cup" i fucking hate imperial...also, it's annoying in this case because you have to guess that it's the imperial unit and not a random cup

Nobody has ever read cooking instruction and thought "they mean for me to measure this with a mug from my cabinet" lol

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tyler programming.dev tyler@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-06-12
#28 · Quote Reply

Wait is that in degrees or gradians?

Did you just watch toolroom takeover too?

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TIEPilot lemmy.world TIEPilot@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-15
#29 · Quote Reply

What industry is that?

Aerospace

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Codpiece feddit.uk Codpiece@feddit.uk
Joined: 2025-06-21
#30 · Quote Reply

Nobody has ever read cooking instruction and thought "they mean for me to measure this with a mug from my cabinet" lol

No, but they’ve probably thought “what fucking size cup do these twats mean and why can’t they just put an actual measurement”.

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Codpiece feddit.uk Codpiece@feddit.uk
Joined: 2025-06-21
#31 · Quote Reply

I wanna kms at this point

What size cup is that?

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BrilliantantTurd4361 sh.itjust.works BrilliantantTurd4361@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-03-10
#32 · Quote Reply

No one is cooking something in an oven at 180f nor 350c

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Droechai piefed.blahaj.zone Droechai@piefed.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2025-06-26
#33 · Quote Reply

Why do you need their time zone if you know their local time? You'll either be in the same time zone as them, or in one that you can reference your time to theirs.

My local time is 1705 right now, doesnt help much, its better if I say 1705 CEST...but it helps way more to say that Im 1705 UTC+2

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Mac mander.xyz Mac@mander.xyz
Joined: 2023-06-14
#34 · Quote Reply

No, but they’ve probably thought “what fucking size cup do these twats mean and why can’t they just put an actual measurement”.

I'll take your word for it. All of my measuring tools have cups on one side and mL on the other. Git gud scrub

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holy_scroller lemmy.zip holy_scroller@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-01-29
#35 · Quote Reply

Aerospace

My last project in aerospace with 100's of people was mostly Imperial. There is a lot of mixing of units and you can basically design your subsystem however you want. There was a mandate decades ago to go metric, but that has largely been ignored. It's the worst of both worlds!

My current project is just a couple people, so I mandated all metric. I have to spend a lot of money on tooling, but it is largely fine. I would say 10 years ago getting some fancy aerospace grade fasteners was easier in Imperial, less so today.

My mind still defaults to Imperial for very small dimensions like a 8 thou gap or something.

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aceshigh lemmy.world aceshigh@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-11
#36 · Quote Reply

Why do you need their time zone if you know their local time? You'll either be in the same time zone as them, or in one that you can reference your time to theirs.

I’m in a global group. Someone reaches out to me and tells me they’re free at 6. Wtf does that mean? 6 what?

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Diddlydee feddit.uk Diddlydee@feddit.uk
Joined: 2024-07-23
#37 · (edited) Quote Reply

I’m in a global group. Someone reaches out to me and tells me they’re free at 6. Wtf does that mean? 6 what?

6 o'clock, I'd wager. Either yours or theirs, and you presumably know where both of you are.

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Axolotl feddit.it Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it
Joined: 2025-10-10
#38 · Quote Reply

No one is cooking something in an oven at 180f nor 350c

Read the whole post.

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craftrabbit lemmy.zip craftrabbit@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-07-04
#39 · Quote Reply

Did you just watch toolroom takeover too?

Nope, just a setting on my calculator

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Axolotl feddit.it Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it
Joined: 2025-10-10
#40 · Quote Reply

What size cup is that?

30F (USA) i think

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Axolotl feddit.it Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it
Joined: 2025-10-10
#41 · Quote Reply

Nobody has ever read cooking instruction and thought "they mean for me to measure this with a mug from my cabinet" lol

Read NeatNit reply

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tyler programming.dev tyler@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-06-12
#42 · Quote Reply

Nope, just a setting on my calculator

https://youtu.be/BMCxCuTc1MA

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Makr Alland lemmy.world makr_alland@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-12
#43 · Quote Reply

As with everything, we know it's all the Americans' fault. Joking. Halfway, anyway - they are a majority of the people who, internationally speaking, wanted to be all precious about this stuff. Although even if they didn't, it'd still seem like "good practice" to include units anyway, though. The cooking does tend to just be context, though, or at least "same as all the other recipes". There's ...

An unspoken rule of the Internet: If a post doesn't specify country, units, server, or time zone, and that information is relevant, then it was written by someone who is unaware of those things. You know, Americans.

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ThatGuy46475 lemmy.world ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-01-25
#44 · Quote Reply

No one is cooking something in an oven at 180f nor 350c

Not with that attitude

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craftrabbit lemmy.zip craftrabbit@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-07-04
#45 · Quote Reply

https://youtu.be/BMCxCuTc1MA

Beautiful, what a useless tool to create. I pity all the geological surveyors who have to actually goon.

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GreyEyedGhost piefed.ca GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca
Joined: 2025-11-30
#46 · Quote Reply

As with everything, we know it's all the Americans' fault. Joking. Halfway, anyway - they are a majority of the people who, internationally speaking, wanted to be all precious about this stuff. Although even if they didn't, it'd still seem like "good practice" to include units anyway, though. The cooking does tend to just be context, though, or at least "same as all the other recipes". There's ...

I get what you're saying, but a realistic temperature for cooking only makes sense if you're familiar with cooking. I'm sure there was someone who was wondering why their cookies weren't cooking at 175° F or utterly annihilated them at 350° C. It's just a couple extra characters, anyway.

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amio lemmy.world amio@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-19
#47 · Quote Reply

I get what you're saying, but a realistic temperature for cooking only makes sense if you're familiar with cooking. I'm sure there was someone who was wondering why their cookies weren't cooking at 175° F or utterly annihilated them at 350° C. It's just a couple extra characters, anyway.

Sure. As I said, it makes sense to just... not be ambiguous. As for familiarity, I don't think you really need it? You'll have an inkling of where the recipe came from and be 90% sure most of the time. If not, searching for one more recipe means it's suddenly really unlikely to still be unclear. No matter what you want you could search for non-US units to rule out/convert.

Familiarity would mean it's even easier, you'll go "of course this is baked at around 175°C like virtually all the other things like it" and almost certainly be right. Although baking is notoriously finicky...

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FuglyDuck lemmy.world FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-15
#48 · Quote Reply

My last project in aerospace with 100's of people was mostly Imperial. There is a lot of mixing of units and you can basically design your subsystem however you want. There was a mandate decades ago to go metric, but that has largely been ignored. It's the worst of both worlds! My current project is just a couple people, so I mandated all metric. I have to spend a lot of money on tooling, but i...

Didn’t that happen because of the Mars Climate Observer crashing? Caused by a us team using pounds-force-seconds where nasa expected newton-seconds (sending it hurtling towards mars at a too-low dip into the atmosphere)

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FuglyDuck lemmy.world FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-15
#49 · (edited) Quote Reply

I would expect it to be a bit higher than 100° what with all the non-water stuff in there.

Not to mention altitude and pressure.

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BrilliantantTurd4361 sh.itjust.works BrilliantantTurd4361@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-03-10
#50 · Quote Reply

Not with that attitude

Lol.

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GreyEyedGhost piefed.ca GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca
Joined: 2025-11-30
#51 · Quote Reply

I'll take your word for it. All of my measuring tools have cups on one side and mL on the other. Git gud scrub

Often, people look to the internet to learn things. Given that circu.stance, they may not have that foundational knowledge. So how are those scrubs supposed to git gud?

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