I think you don't know very much about physics or philosophy tbh

Nice dodge 👍 good luck with your delusions.

they've got a lot of things in there I like.

None of the positive things about any religion are unique to that religion. And those don't require belief in some mythical deity, nor a priesthood to enforce (their sect's interpretation of) that deitiy's rules and demands.

Those good things are just as possible in a secular society, and don't require all the dogmatism and tribalism that comes with religion.

"I know what my God demands of you"

But when questioned further

"God works in mysterious ways"

Not one jot or tiddle will change... except all the changes I'm making. But also I'm unchanging because I'm god." It frightens me when people assert that the bible contains no contradictions. It is a dangerous lack of critical thinking.

It's almost like the whole thing was made up by an assortment of self-appointed leaders who were trying to control other people's behaviors.

No u

People's kids are real people, not owned by their parents. Treating children as parental property or non humans is the foundation of a lot of problems with the world.

None of the positive things about any religion are unique to that religion.

Or negative things, for that matter. Human ideas are routinely recycled across cultures and creeds.

And those don’t require belief in some mythical deity, nore a priesthood to enforce (their sect’s interpretation of) that deitiy’s rules and demands.

They require a degree of confidence in some institutional organization and a bureaucracy capable of drafting and executing policy.

Those good things are just as possible in a secular society

Only when the members of the society adhere to the fundamental beliefs that underpin the policies themselves. "God" becomes a heuristic for the subsequent consequences of a particular set of social behaviors. But the underlying assumption - that virtuous action yields a more utopian society - is common to secular and sectarian societies alike. And the allure of corruption is as well.

Dogma becomes a means of justifying complex relationships without bogging everyone down with the finer details. You don't understand how the machinery works, but you accept certain inputs and outputs as given.

Tribalism is more a neurological limitation. Dunbar's Number constrains the religious and the atheist alike.

The mistake is in assuming that you can escape the need for heuristics and ignore the baser impulses of human instinct merely by abandoning the aesthetic. You're going to end up adopting superstitions and imperfect models for the world around you whether or not you slap a cross or a crescent on the end belief structure. The universe is too vast and complex to do otherwise.

Singling out Islam is sus as hell when every religion does this.

If you don't like the religious right wait until you get a load of the post religious conservatives. Ross Douthat said this years ago and has written about it fairly extensively.

We need to attack the emotional basis first I think. First of all, quite a lot of people just take for granted what those higher up in the hierarchy tell them. They use it as a compass of right, and wrong. And for many, doing wrong is mentally "impossible". This is before you take into account what religion does to people.

Then there's the existential terror. Religion outright explains away everything as some divine being's plan. Do this to be in the right, and you will literally live forever. Do that, and you hurn in hell. They are terrified of a world with no justice, where they will just cease to exist, and everything they did was for nothing. They will cling to even the most miserable of hope.

I suppose you need to offer some hope, catch them in a good mood. "How could god kill an army of 200000 when there were only like 20000 max" rarely works. They will always pull out another excuse, like "there were more people before the flood" or "God is just punishing us for our sins/this is for our own good in the end" type of crap.

You need to figure out if possible WHY they believe in a God in the first place, disarm them emotionaly, let them explain the theology in such a way, that they see the inconsistencies themselves. Ask them "so what is it you really even believe in? What are you betting your whole existance, and other's on?".

Ask them if a reasonable person would think like this, do they really want to follow a God who does the things he does [point out specific examples]. Ask them to summon a fire tornado to consume you, why God does not fulfill his promises, if they can really trust a God that does all that, based on only his word alone?

That of an Anectodal book?

I would like the taking multiple wives against their will please.

The child brides I have not been convinced of yet. But I am sure I will come around. I mean - I changed my feelings about the goats and sheep after all.

Ah, the unconstrained nihilist.

If we start helping each other, instead of working for them.

Well, these parasites cannot survive alone.

They will wither, conform, or die.

I appreciate you. One of the few people showing they are thinking in this thread.

The rest haven't given it much thought.

Don't forget "Someone told me that my religion says you can't do that!"

No shortage of pimping and child sexual crimes in the secular world. Hell, some of the West's loudest Islamophobes were front seat on the Lolita Express. One of them was chartering the damned thing.

I was more referring to the fact that they censored themselves while telling someone not to dictate their actions. Unless, of course, Grey Rectangle is a new letter. I suppose that's possible.

Fully agree, off topic tho

No person ought, or of right can be compelled, to attend any religious worship, or erect, or support any place of worship, or maintain any minister, contrary to the dictates of his conscience.

--Vermont Constitution, Article 3

Unfortunately, tolerating their delusions only encourages them.

https://snoopsqueak.com/

Man, you're really committed. I appreciate.

E: some videos are a bit sad, I hope you get better soon

What’s ironic is… that passage, Jesus is saying the exact opposite.

“Do not think I have come to abolish the law and the prophets I have not come to abolish it, but to fulfill it.” It goes onto say that the law is eternal, and won’t be changed and blah blah blah.

(The idea of the law being made to go away comes from the heretic, Paul, who realized that centipede were unlikely to convert if they had to get snipped as Jesus intended.)

I Just realised something, I've never heard a Muslim telling anyon they can't eat pork

Not pork, but...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_in_Saudi_Arabia

Only in their country though.

Or draw the profit...oh wait

Thank you. I have tried four therapists, trying a fifth next week. I don't see things getting better. Not enough people are acknowledging how fucked we all are. People like my parents pretend I brought my problems on myself, even though they made the choices to create me, hit me, lie to me, etc. Their death cult is currently occupying our government and rapidly dismantling years of progress. People are dying for their stupid greed, and people are pretending this is fine and normal and that I'm overreacting.

I think we might be fucked. I feel like my life and eventual death don't matter in the slightest solely because no one is paying attention to what it means.

Yeah I'm really scared of the, what, 4% of the population that they represent. Regardless of what the right wing media want you to think they're not taking over.

At this point I'm just tired of religion in general. I'm fine with discussing the histories and stories and art but outside of that just no