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supersquirrel
lemmy.ca
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca Joined: 2026-08-07 |
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Jarme
jlai.lu
Jarme@jlai.lu Joined: 2023-11-27 |
Edit : I was wrong, vertical farming is as ground-surface efficient as horizontal. "Proof" with a quick calculation for those interestedI compared numbers using batavia lettuce as an example. Those are yearly outputs in kg per square meter of sunlight, assuming central Europe. For vertical hydroponics, I'm assuming a solar irradiation of 1'000 kWh/m²/year, a panel yield of 20%, and no other loss, that is 200 kWh/year of electric power per m² of solar panel. 1 kg of vertical lettuce needs about 8 kWh to power the lights So a square meter of solar panel should produce about 25kg of lettuce a year. This compares to 20-50kg/m²/year in horizontal non-light-supplemented hydroponics. My numbers and assumptions could be quite a bit off, but clearly I was wrong with the 30x comment. My old comment :
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TheLeadenSea
sh.itjust.works
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-06-04 |
Ah, how solarpunk! /s |
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Valmond
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-11-13 |
Edit : I was wrong, vertical farming is as ground-surface efficient as horizontal. ::: spoiler "Proof" with a quick calculation for those interested I compared numbers using batavia lettuce as an example. Those are yearly outputs in kg per square meter of sunlight, assuming central Europe. For vertical hydroponics, I'm assuming a solar irradiation of 1'000 kWh/m²/year, a panel yield of 20%, and...
Would be way better if they used mirrors, or transferred sunlight through optic fibers. I mean if possible. |
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Sadbutdru
sopuli.xyz
Sadbutdru@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-08-13 |
Edit : I was wrong, vertical farming is as ground-surface efficient as horizontal. ::: spoiler "Proof" with a quick calculation for those interested I compared numbers using batavia lettuce as an example. Those are yearly outputs in kg per square meter of sunlight, assuming central Europe. For vertical hydroponics, I'm assuming a solar irradiation of 1'000 kWh/m²/year, a panel yield of 20%, and...
I don't know all the details of vertical farming, but there is more to it than energy efficiency. The controlled environment is supposed to remove the need for pesticides, bring fertiliser use right down to the minimum possible, and then there's the efficiency in logistics of growing food closer to point of consumption, especially when temperature/humidity/ light control lets you grow exotic stuff locally year round. Whether it is worth it overall is unclear. Probably the answer is "sometimes, it depends on the situation". |
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spinnetrouble
sh.itjust.works
spinne@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-10 |
Edit : I was wrong, vertical farming is as ground-surface efficient as horizontal. ::: spoiler "Proof" with a quick calculation for those interested I compared numbers using batavia lettuce as an example. Those are yearly outputs in kg per square meter of sunlight, assuming central Europe. For vertical hydroponics, I'm assuming a solar irradiation of 1'000 kWh/m²/year, a panel yield of 20%, and...
I get where you're coming from. (Also, "profitable" has nothing to do with "ecologically responsible.") I have a lot of the same concerns about bringing plants indoors and having to meet their needs using a lot of energy and material inputs when growing them outdoors with free energy and fewer resources works so well. However, one thing outside can't do easily is multiple layers of plants. If we can find a way to bring the vertical part of vertical farming outside, I'd be more supportive of it. It's just a tough problem to solve when it takes a lot of money to build the structures and the structures can get wiped out in one bad weather event. |
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CIA_chatbot
lemmy.world
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-19 |
I don't know all the details of vertical farming, but there is more to it than energy efficiency. The controlled environment is supposed to remove the need for pesticides, bring fertiliser use right down to the minimum possible, and then there's the efficiency in logistics of growing food closer to point of consumption, especially when temperature/humidity/ light control lets you grow exotic st...
Also growing food in areas that wouldn’t support growing food, like deserts |
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Tiresia
slrpnk.net
Tiresia@slrpnk.net Joined: 2024-07-16 |
Also growing food in areas that wouldn’t support growing food, like deserts
That's what greenhouses are for. Deserts aren't exactly short on space, so you can drop all the extremely difficult and expensive vertical farm infrastructure and just build horizontal. Greenhouses can be just as environmentally controlled as vertical farms for a fraction of the cost. |
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🌸𝓯𝓵𝓸𝔀𝓮𝓻🌸
sh.itjust.works
Flower@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2026-04-29 |
I don't know all the details of vertical farming, but there is more to it than energy efficiency. The controlled environment is supposed to remove the need for pesticides, bring fertiliser use right down to the minimum possible, and then there's the efficiency in logistics of growing food closer to point of consumption, especially when temperature/humidity/ light control lets you grow exotic st...
Vertical farming is mostly used for leafy greens and shoots. For the energy dense staple foods that people get most of their calories from, it doesn't work well. They need a lot more time to mature, what means a lot more energy needs to be invested and it immediately becomes unprofitable. |
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The D Quuuuuill
slrpnk.net
Quill7513@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-06-26 |
Also growing food in areas that wouldn’t support growing food, like deserts
one adjustment to this, it's actually usaully more useful in urban food deserts rather than desert deserts, the idea being that the energy waste expended by growing crops in a tall building that would have done better in direct sunlight low to the ground is offset by reduced transport costs where most of the environmental harm of factory farming is done |
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Jarme
jlai.lu
Jarme@jlai.lu Joined: 2023-11-27 |
I get where you're coming from. (Also, "profitable" has nothing to do with "ecologically responsible.") I have a lot of the same concerns about bringing plants indoors and having to meet their needs using a lot of energy and material inputs when growing them outdoors with free energy and fewer resources works so well. However, one thing outside can't do easily is multiple layers of plants. If w...
Could it be a vertical wall of greens? I am imagining a glass building with lettuce behind the south-oriented windows, on each floor. Seems technically complicated but interesting as a though experiment. |
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hash
slrpnk.net
hash@slrpnk.net Joined: 2024-06-13 |
Also growing food in areas that wouldn’t support growing food, like deserts
I've been curious about earthworks with some small amount of tech for this. Though a with vertical farming, growing is only half the battle and you need an efficient harvest method. |
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HerbGrower
slrpnk.net
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net Joined: 2026-07-09 |
Edit : I was wrong, vertical farming is as ground-surface efficient as horizontal. ::: spoiler "Proof" with a quick calculation for those interested I compared numbers using batavia lettuce as an example. Those are yearly outputs in kg per square meter of sunlight, assuming central Europe. For vertical hydroponics, I'm assuming a solar irradiation of 1'000 kWh/m²/year, a panel yield of 20%, and...
Rooftop greenhouses? |
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spinnetrouble
sh.itjust.works
spinne@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-10 |
Could it be a vertical wall of greens? I am imagining a glass building with lettuce behind the south-oriented windows, on each floor. Seems technically complicated but interesting as a though experiment.
I dig it |
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Jarme
jlai.lu
Jarme@jlai.lu Joined: 2023-11-27 |
Rooftop greenhouses?
I find the idea very solarpunk |
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HobbitFoot
thelemmy.club
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club Joined: 2023-06-16 |
That's what greenhouses are for. Deserts aren't exactly short on space, so you can drop all the extremely difficult and expensive vertical farm infrastructure and just build horizontal. Greenhouses can be just as environmentally controlled as vertical farms for a fraction of the cost.
I figure it only makes sense in near Arctic communities where shipping costs don't make it easy to have a supply chain of fresh vegetables and the heating costs are likely going to overwhelm the cost differential of a greenhouse. |
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sparkyshocks
lemmy.zip
sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-03-22 |
Edit : I was wrong, vertical farming is as ground-surface efficient as horizontal. ::: spoiler "Proof" with a quick calculation for those interested I compared numbers using batavia lettuce as an example. Those are yearly outputs in kg per square meter of sunlight, assuming central Europe. For vertical hydroponics, I'm assuming a solar irradiation of 1'000 kWh/m²/year, a panel yield of 20%, and...
Where can I read more about this? I had thought that solar panels absorb a lot more energy than plants can, and I would think that collecting energy across a wide range of wavelengths and then using that energy to emit only specific wavelengths could give plants more useful light. But I admit I don't know how each is optimized for different wavelengths. |
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