Link: https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/police-called-on-trans-men-using

On August 8, police arrived on the scene of Long Branch Lagoon Water Park in Dodge City, Kansas, to the sight of three self-described “bearded, burly men” who had been in the women’s bathroom and changing area. The manager of the municipally run property allegedly screamed and rushed children out the door.

The men knew this was likely. They didn’t agitate any of the women; they didn’t remove their clothes or make crass comments. They simply used the gendered spaces that the state of Kansas requires them to use by law, because these men are transgender.

“Supporters of SB244, including Attorney General Kris Kobach and Senate Majority Leader Ty Masterson, billed it as a way to keep men out of women’s spaces; it clearly requires some men to enter women’s spaces,” a press release sent to news outlets reads. So, these men took action—using malicious compliance to prove their point.

“Segregating people by suspected genitalia does nothing to improve public safety; it does quite the opposite by opening Kansans up to sexual harassment and discrimination. At no point should anyone be asking anyone else what genitals they have in public.”

The men, dressed in yellow “Compliance Crew” shirts, were part of a small group of trans-masculine Kansans who used the women’s room at facilities across the state that day in a coordinated action. They were also spotted at a zoo, a library, a museum, and other parks. They were in Emporia, Great Bend, Garden City, and Dodge City. At the library, at least one patron complained; at other places, the men used the bathroom and received dirty looks, and simply left the space without confrontation.

But at Long Branch Lagoon, members of the Kansas Compliance Crew resorted to having to describe their genitals to police in order to resolve the matter and avoid arrest.

“The men had a discussion with the manager and police and explained the situation, including uncomfortable descriptions of their bodies,” the press release said. Furthermore, both the manager and the police reportedly said “they had never heard of SB244 nor been notified by any government entity of its passage.”

“I could easily continue using the men’s restroom under the radar,” said Ray Vieux, who participated as one of the demonstrators.

If I were in charge bathrooms would be single rooms with nothing but a toilet.

Handwash sink is outside.

There is a person who maintains the facilities and offers a mint candy to only people who wash their hands.

If were gonna police anything in the bathrooms it should be hand washing.

In my secondary school, it was a small school as far as the building went, so to save space they operated exclusively unisex toilets.

The "bathrooms" were simply open-plan onto the main corridors, with sinks on one side, and maybe 15 individual cubicles on the other. There were no urinals, no gendered spaces, once outside the cubicle you'd be in view of anyone walking through the corridor. There were 4 stories including the ground floor, with these unisex toilets on levels 1 and 3.

Never did anything happen, never heard any complaints from anyone about them, it was, dare I say, perfect.

Petition for the abolishment of traditional gendered spaces, individual cubicles is all we need.

Same, but I'd also offer a second mint to folks who show initiative and restock the toilet paper when it runs low.

Beginning to suspect these laws exist to criminals the existence of transgender people.

bathrooms would be single rooms with nothing but a toilet

Hope you're ready to wait in a hella-long line.

If were gonna police anything in the bathrooms it should be hand washing.

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What's next, requiring a licence to not wash my hands after using a public bathroom?

Why does everyone wants to go into the women’s bathrooms? Transwomen and transmen? I see people upset about transwomen not being able to go to women’s bathrooms, fine, but shouldn’t those same people ask ask transmen go to men’s bathrooms? Aren’t they men? Just like how transwomen are women?

Nobody cares about who goes into the men's room. They only care about women's restrooms because of moral panic bullshit.

Unisex bathrooms everywhere is the real solution, but then there wouldn't be an opportunity to harm marginalized people.

You do realize they can put the same number of toilets as any other bathroom setup right? I don't even know how you got to that conclusion.

Modern Libertarians are anti-LGBT and have completely lost their way. They hated their own 2024 presidential candidate Chase Oliver so much for being gay that there was an attempt by many in the party to replace him with Trump, and there were letters pleading for party members to vote for him despite him being gay. It was all super lame and I left. Libertarians used to be at the forefront of individuality and personal liberties, but not anymore. The official website might claim otherwise, but that's just PR.

I guarantee you can fight more people around one of those pee-troughs at a baseball stadium than you can fit individual toilets separated by walls and doors.

Hell, the entire appeal of the standing urinal is to conserve space.

They hated their own 2024 presidential candidate Chase Oliver so much for being gay that there was an attempt by many in the party to replace him with Trump

I'm intimately familiar with Texas Libertarians, having family who are actively involved in the state party. They were woo'd by Trump pretty much day one of his campaign. So much of modern southern libertarianism is just a mask over the Neo-Confederate ideology that went out of style under Bush Jr.

Chase Oliver only won the nomination in 2024, because so many self-proclaimed libertarians had defected back to the GOP already. The folks whining about the nomination wanted to have their GOP affiliation and eat their Libertarian cake, too. And while he took a ton of cheap heat for his sexual orientation, the real thing that made Chase a target for ire is that he wasn't a closed borders militant white supremacist psycho.

Libertarians used to be at the forefront of individuality and personal liberties

The party has always worn two faces. One face pointed towards the liberals, which promised weed and free love and no more wars. Another face towards the Dixiecrat south, which promised Jim Crow and indentured servitude and CSAM.

Love my NORML libertarians, but I quickly recognized this group was not for me when I spent a weekend at the state convention way back in 2012.

You'd need a note from a senator, your doctor, or your preacher.

Trans men don't want to go to the women's bathroom, but they're legally required to do so under Kansas law. This is a protest where they follow the law-as-written to draw attention to how stupid it is. I can guarantee you that these dudes (even the ones who didn't get the cops called on them) were humiliated by using the women's bathroom, but they overcame that to raise awareness for trans rights.

lmao a piss trough in a baseball stadium is quite the strawman my dude. Nevermind that you're forgetting about poop.

But sure lets set the bar as low as possible. 'Tis the libertarian way I guess. That and eating popcorn with other dudes' piss all over your hands.

Not gonna yuk your yum but microdosing golden showers is not something most people are into.

I was waiting for this to happen.
Props to the brave boys for sticking their necks out, when no one would have cared if they used the men's room.

Then again, no one cares what goes on in there :'(

lmao a piss trough in a baseball stadium is quite the strawman my dude.

I don't think you know what a strawman is. But this need to hide people from one another while they piss and poop is a big part of what feeds the anti-trans hysteria.

Not gonna yuk your yum but microdosing golden showers is not something most people are into.

This is why people traditionally wash their hands after using the toilet.

Nah put handwash inside stalls pls. Saved my life at new job where i got dog poo on my shoes and could clean it privately.

If anyone here has never shat in the piss trough in a movement of desperation then I will eat my hat.

But this need to hide people from one another while they piss and poop is a big part of what feeds the anti-trans hysteria.

I don't know why you're trying to use that as part of an argument for why we ought not to have a whole bunch of separate cubicles. No one sees anyone peeing or pooping then, at all. No problem.

I can kind of understand why places like women's domestic violence shelters and women's prisons need a legal definition of "woman" in order to define who is allowed in them (and have no opinion on what it should be). Places where there is actual physical or logistical infrastructure in place to make sure men don't enter them…

But bathrooms? Someone wanting to commit sex crimes (or similar) against women in bathrooms is just going to walk into them and do exactly that, they aren't going to change their legal gender just to do that because that doesn't make it either easier or harder to physically get in there.

It's not transwomen or transmen, it's trans women or trans men. Just like it's not tallmen or shortwomen, trans is just an adjective.

With the exception of some non binary people, most of the opeople who want to use the women's bathrooms are typically women, cis women or trans women. These trans men are using the women's bathroom because the law dictates that is the bathroom they are required to use, not because it is the bathroom they want to use.

It's probably too expensive to put the plumbing for that in the walls of the stalls. Usually there's already a lot less washbasins than toilets, I don't think that's ever going to change.

I can kind of understand why places like women’s domestic violence shelters and women’s prisons need a legal definition of “woman” in order to define who is allowed in them

I've found that a lot of these policies are a legacy of affirmative action in response to the historic gulf in wealth between women and men.

They don't exist to keep men out. They exist to give women in abusive relationships a place to go without facing homelessness.

One might argue that gay men and trans-people can find themselves in exactly the same kind of relationships, for exactly the same reasons.

You have very poor reading comprehension.

When they do have in stall sinks they're that tiny one. It's okay but still takes up more space and has a larger carbon footprint.

Like is really the end of the world if you have to wait a second to wash your hands?

Plus the communal sink is easier to keep clean. Just keep all the filth in the toilet rooms.

That makes sense. Thanks. I just wanted some context. I didn’t actually know there was a difference between saying transmen and trans men. Today I learned.

I like the idea of unisex bathrooms. I feel like it would solve so many problems.

Ok

Just like the ones in our homes.

In Japan there are toilets that run a faucet that fills the tank on the toilet. Wash your hands as it flushes and fills. It’s not like it’s that hard it’s just that the ones with the checkbook want to pocket the budget instead of provide a decent quality of life

Japanese people don't need to be publicly shamed into washing their hands tho

Except then you end up with trans people barred from all domestic violence shelters. The trans woman will be barred from the women's shelter because they assume she has a certain kind of anatomy and physical strength and judge her a threat accordingly. Most cis people are comically ignorant about trans people's bodies and believe garbage stereotypes about trans women just being "men in dresses." In reality most trans women are biologically female. When she tries to go to the men's shelter, she will be told she's not safe there. And really, she wouldn't be. Meanwhile trans women face violence and abuse at rates far far higher than cis women.

Not necessarily, a legal definition of woman could include trans women too, the question is then how do you get recognized as such… fortunately I am not a politician and don't have to have an opinion on everything…

How does that work, doesn't that mean you have poop from handwashing flowing into the toilet tank?

Add a 2nd room that's just urinals and no gender requirements.

transmen and trans men.

There isn't really, except I don't think transmen is actually a word.

I like it, but I would put a urinal in as well. Not because as a male I would appreciate that more, but as a male, I've seen what other savages do to the toilet seat when they have to hit a stationary target from a couple feet away. I don't want to punish sitters with that.

This could be a problem if you do in fact drink from the toilet but I would advise against that regardless of where you are.

Sure. But context matters. No one who wants cares enough about a non-existent problem to create a formal and enforced definition of "woman" is going to do so in a trans-inclusive way.

It is a problem in prisons, where lots of men are in women's prisons because they start identifying as a woman

What did you learn?
Edit: oh about two words

And you think this would be easily resolved with well designed unisex bathrooms where each stall is completely private.

Even then, it sounds like it would lead to filth accumulation in the tank over time unless cleaned. One more space for bacteria to fester.

I have issues with the term “transgender”, if you clearly look like male as a biological male, and just for the sake call yourself woman to enter a woman’s bathroom.

This looks like it was just a stunt to annoy people and unfortunately, actions like these, will lower the tolerance of the general public towards transgenders.

Edit: Sleep deprived me read something totally different. Never mind.

Did you fail to understand the article? A law was passed requiring trans men to use women's bathrooms. This wasn't a stunt to annoy people, it was malicious compliance. By organising a group of trans men to all use women's bathrooms in different places at the same time, it became obvious from the reactions that the law was ridiculous.

Again. If you call yourself a transwoman and clearly have a full beard, I understand that the public gets upset.

What are you talking about? There are no trans women with beards in this post or thread.

I should definitely sleep. I totally read something different and I don’t know why. Now I can see that it is about trans-men being forced to use the woman’s bathroom. That’s stupid.

Sorry for my confusing comment. Will edit it.