A billion dollars in sunk cost fallacy. Jeeze. Elden Ring, Tears of the kingdom, most “AAA” games have what, $200 million in development costs?

I can’t imagine trying to be supportive of 15 years of financial mismanagement and frankly what looks like just a long grift.

Overall, fan morale is quite low following this stream. Star Citizen has been in development has been in development for roughly 15 years and has raked in over $1 billion from fans to help fund the development

It's basically criminal negligence at this point. Imagine what a competent game studio could do with a billion dollar budget.

Imagine if Frontier Developments had gotten $1B…

I feel like if Chris Roberts had been kept on a leash, this game would have been out and beloved, with a less successful sequel also released.

Given Odyssey more time to bake?

Can people band and sue them in a class action? Because technically they aren't shareholders, so they wouldn't get the same rights and protections, right?

I eagerly await the day Star Citizen collapses completely.

Yeah I've got no idea. Seems like you can sue people for anything in the US but it probably isn't clear cut.

Then there'd be so many more things to mindlessly grind for!

(I'm kidding, but I do think what's holding Elite back is FDev's insistence to not do game design and to just keep adding mindless busybody work - ended up leaving the game as a result)

Great way to teach kids the true nature of working in the games industry! It's CRUNCH TIME!

Crazy to think someone will probably lose their job over a stream that went badly. Black Mirror is a great show.

It was clear that they bit off more than they could chew 10+ years ago. You'd have thought they'd bring in some leadership that could keep them aimed at a reasonable goal. They could've had something amazing.

in the long-awaited sci-fi game

Understatement of the millennia.

Worth reading some yt comments

Go easy on the dev team, it was probably the first time they've actually played the game.

"Welcome I'm your host Jared." to "Ollie this is your show. Wrap it up." What comradery and unity. I want this content to be mandatory and on live. Make them try to play weekly until the game runs well. Bet they fix it faster.

The energy in this Video feels like the atmosphere of a recently finished HR seminar.

I don't think I want the same experience they had today.

Wow, awesome work guys. Came in the presenting the game how its meant to be played. 4 guys on their own server, abysmal performance, bugs everywhere, one guy literally team killing and badmouthing his other teammates. And then ending acting all is fine. So we as the players are supposed to get this experience you just show us LOL! CLAP CLAP! awesome effort I will give you more money haha

Seriously, you devs literally just jump in on this with no preparation, no moderation, no prior media training. When you are about to literally show the world the best part of your game? Haha really show the effort you guys put in

Consumer rights nerds please chime in and correct me

My understanding is that this game is crowd funded. And it heavily depends on what's promised in the contract. If the contract promises a playable game at some point, the consumers can just demand a development timeline and a game release schedule and that's it.

But if it's just a "donation to the development" with unbinding promises of ships as a reward, things look very different. Either way, this is definitely not a state of the art video game purchase, so it will be a bit of a gamble.

Concerning the class-action, there's a bit of a skirmish about jurisdiction but generally we have quite a big group of similarly situated plaintiffs, so from what I can tell this looks like something that would be class-certified. Just needs a bit of luck, a good attorney and some good case management to get it going.

It's amateur developers out of their depth and with no experienced management to top it off. It's the same across a lot of the big budget games these days.

Sad to see, their jobs are on the line so they are obviously going to turn a blind eye to the problems.

This game needs cancelling and something with a much, much, much smaller scope created instead. What the stream showed was essentially just a bullet sponge boss, so uninspiring and basic, but still fails to function.

Also that Elliot guy is a real dickhead.

Go easy on the dev team, it was probably the first time they've actually played the game.

This comment rings too true. There's a lot of games I play and I wonder if the developers ever just actually tried a playthrough from the start. But developer delusion does exist.

People are still waiting on it?

To be fair, a shitload of devs are under horrific crunch hours to meet un-meetable deadlines set by higher-ups. Not saying that that's what happened here, but QA testing is one of those things that gets the axe early in development far too often

QA doesnt exist in most games. I mean why bother? Players will buy a game in "early access", stumble over bugs, give you a positive review and aggressively defend against anyone who criticises it. Why pay for QA, when you can get paid for it. Industry is fucked and customers stopped demanding better.

I do, but with little hope only. Will not pay or waste time in the current stage.

I gotta see this

almost 2 fucken hours

Yeah idc

The people that still hold out hope for this game are the same kind of apes that mortgaged their house to go all-in on GameStop stock

I think there's a slightly higher chance of human society reaching the technological sci-fi future the game is showcasing before we get the completed game.

It's a brutal watch, and fans have been making fun of the entire experience and expressing amazement over the fact that the team didn't pull the VOD offline.

"Incredibly awkward, cringe, forced, slightly sinister feeling at times, and the local server gameplay was still terrible. No one was having fun here," said a comment under the stream. "Felt like a hostage video."

Each and every one of the people who go in front of a camera to represent the work of hundreds of people needs media training. This is what happens when regular people talk about something they are passionate about and it starts to go sideways on them. A lack of emotional regulation, a reactive conversation, and a strong tone against team work. Such a bad look for the CIG.

I think there's enough if they just finish the story and quests the single player game focusing on just ship movement without the person combat would work fine. It wasn't even supposed to be a shooter just updated space sim.

If you still think there is even the molecule of a possibility that star citizen ever releases, then you yourself are part of the problem. It's been obviously a scam for about 15 years now. It's not happening, accept that.

And maybe I'm way behind but.... Wasn't this supposed to be some pay-for-a-ship-with-hundreds-of-dollars-US web3 kinda thing anyway?

Yeah I'll chuckle from waaaaaay over here, thanks. Lol

Before or after it peaked? Really makes a difference lol.

Why anyone would want to play a game that sells items for tens of thousands of dollars is beyond me

If you (or anybody else) like/tolerate Charlie/penguinz0 he already covered this shitshow in 19 minutes. It is truly baffling how CIG handled this stream.

Would like to see their turnover rates tbh

Whoever was onboard a decade ago would have left by now. And they probably were the ones that replaced the original management and devs back when this started on kickstarter. maybe except the c-suite that got close to Roberts. they probably got paid well fleecing players.

counter strike?

the game is technically playable from what I understand, but has been in alpha for years and probably will be for years to come

I dunno man, I had fun fucking up some dudes in spaceships last night, and then shooting up a rebel bunker on a shithole moon.

Shits rad.

I don't like either but I do like KiraTV who did one too.

Would you like to pay $4,000 for a Deluxe Waiting-Class starship?

I don't play this game. Is it an in game economy or like does the company sell these items?

Except what?

Just joshin'.

I mean, the game itself is free to play, and sometimes it's even fun!

Initially the pledge ships were only supposed to be for funding development and would go away on release. I don't know if that's still the case, but if it is, the game will never release. Otherwise I expect a release sometime in the 2040s. Optimistically.

Elite often feels like its just missing something. It's a good game but feels like there is potential to be so much better.

How about Egosoft? Although I am not sure if they would even know how to spend it all.

The shit they are selling puts me off ever wanting to touch the game

But then people would realize it's as deep as a puddle quicker.

Yeah, if they did it at the low point then fuck that worked out well for them.

much smaller scope

That's what the entire problem is though. The original game was ambitious but the scope was like 10% of what it is now. People kept shoveling money at it so they said "know what let's add 1,000 new features and polish them later" and now it's an unmanageable clusterfuck.

I think it's akin to yandev broadening the scope of yandere simulator because that game lived and died off of Youtuber hype, and Youtubers only made videos when there was a brand new shiny feature. He kept widening the scope while everything was basically in a tech demo state and only worked on the test rival.

The company sells basically jpegs of ships they want to bring into the game at some point with unknown strength for high sums of money.

Same, but I can also see it not being that high. The developers seem really amateur and there's definitely an ego problem. I can see a lot staying on because they think they have made it.
Also, who wants to work for a company like that? On a spaghetti project that will never be finished? They will wanna keep people already committed.

Yeah, which is a lack of experience. Any experienced designer or developer knows you dont keep increasing the scope like this. The lead management have zero idea what they are doing, the developers are not competent enough, so it's a viscous cycle that will only end when the money runs out.

Well... technically, Counter-Strike doesnt sell the skins for that much. That's a player driven market. Shows you how much people care about a gun being a different colour, which is crazy in itself.