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TheMightyCat
ani.social
TheMightyCat@ani.social Joined: 2025-06-30 |
Quick post today, readers may remember that in the last post that the 112 test was today, so i hope you all set your alarms for this post! imsd emergency calling works! end to end tested on the live network! I called 112 in the designated time slot and had full two way voice with the operator, plus NAW data, sadly the AML did not work. The Netherlands doesn't use the text based AML my code had, ive send an email thanking them for the test and requesting information on the data based AML aswell as a possibility for a future second test when that works. I do have to say that i can only say this works for the netherlands, i can tell the emergency path works in the modem and it took the genuine correct path, i can't guarantee it. I'm not sure what the risk is that it works here but not elsewhere but i think its right to state this. Before doing the first test i was so nervous with my phone hovering the call button but im glad it all worked out in the end, the operators were really kind too. On the slight chance that any 112 operators happen to read this, Thank you very much! |
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rowinxavier
lemmy.world
rowinxavier@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-09 |
The pace with which you are knocking out issues is fantastic! Well done, makes me want a Fairphone 6. |
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tu11ebukk
piefed.social
tu11ebukk@piefed.social Joined: 2025-05-18 |
Thanks a lot for what you’re doing - just ordered a Fairphone 6+ because of your work !! |
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TheMightyCat
ani.social
TheMightyCat@ani.social Joined: 2025-06-30 |
Thanks a lot for what you’re doing - just ordered a Fairphone 6+ because of your work !!
I have just received word from Luca that the image is compatible with the 6+, please let me know know how it goes! |
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Domi
lemmy.secnd.me
domi@lemmy.secnd.me Joined: 2023-06-04 |
Awesome! Did you test this without a SIM inserted as well? How does the test work? Do you give them their number or do they just allocate you in a slot where they think not much is going on anyway? Really cool that they are doing this. |
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TheMightyCat
ani.social
TheMightyCat@ani.social Joined: 2025-06-30 |
Awesome! Did you test this without a SIM inserted as well? How does the test work? Do you give them their number or do they just allocate you in a slot where they think not much is going on anyway? Really cool that they are doing this.
No i have not tried without a SIM, and im not sure that is possible When asking for the test you need to provide the number you're calling with, a SIM-less phone doesn't have a number. Maybe there is an option for it if you ask specifcally for a SIML-less test, but i had to provide a number. I gave them the information and the date i wanted and they responded with this:
Translation:
I don't know how they got those slots, but pretty much yes, i gave them the info and they let me pick a slot. |
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TheMightyCat
ani.social
TheMightyCat@ani.social Joined: 2025-06-30 |
LMAO guess what just showed up in my company mailbox?
Oh really, "Mauricio", nice "—" you got there, wondered how these ended up in your totally hand written text because you enjoy my posts so much
yeah no thanks. |
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TheMightyCat
ani.social
TheMightyCat@ani.social Joined: 2025-06-30 |
LMAO guess what just showed up in my company mailbox? Hi, I came across Catcrafts recently and have really enjoyed following the Fairphone 6 PostmarketOS work — the post on getting VoLTE calls with working audio was a great read, and the Epictetus quote was a perfect touch. Mauricio here — I lead growth at Audioread. We loved Catcrafts so much that we turned it into audio, for free. Your last f...
I can't make this up, it gets even funnier. I downloaded their sample and put it on my server. Seems like my instance doesn't like audio, here's the link: https://catcrafts.net/media/30dcd0f90a71d861.mp3 Listen to 00:10 |
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Domi
lemmy.secnd.me
domi@lemmy.secnd.me Joined: 2023-06-04 |
No i have not tried without a SIM, and im not sure that is possible When asking for the test you need to provide the number you're calling with, a SIM-less phone doesn't have a number. Maybe there is an option for it if you ask specifcally for a SIML-less test, but i had to provide a number. I gave them the information and the date i wanted and they responded with this: Beste Jorijn, De testtij...
Interesting, maybe a thing for the next test? I assume they get some sort of identifier/metadata in emergency calls (IMSI?) in case no SIM is available? |
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TheMightyCat
ani.social
TheMightyCat@ani.social Joined: 2025-06-30 |
Interesting, maybe a thing for the next test? I assume they get some sort of identifier/metadata in emergency calls (IMSI?) in case no SIM is available?
Unless I completely forgot how telephony works a simless phone doesn't have an IMSI either right? They could see the IMEI maybe? Maybe you ment that. |
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Domi
lemmy.secnd.me
domi@lemmy.secnd.me Joined: 2023-06-04 |
Unless I completely forgot how telephony works a simless phone doesn't have an IMSI either right? They could see the IMEI maybe? Maybe you ment that.
Yep, IMEI was what I meant! |
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Domi
lemmy.secnd.me
domi@lemmy.secnd.me Joined: 2023-06-04 |
I can't make this up, it gets even funnier. I downloaded their sample and put it on my server. Seems like my instance doesn't like audio, here's the link: https://catcrafts.net/media/30dcd0f90a71d861.mp3 Listen to 00:10
Sounds like Anubis is working then? :D |
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tu11ebukk
piefed.social
tu11ebukk@piefed.social Joined: 2025-05-18 |
I have just received word from Luca that the image is compatible with the 6+, please let me know know how it goes!
Will do, when the phone gets here in a week or two !! |
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EisFrei
lemmy.world
EisFrei@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-11 |
LMAO guess what just showed up in my company mailbox? Hi, I came across Catcrafts recently and have really enjoyed following the Fairphone 6 PostmarketOS work — the post on getting VoLTE calls with working audio was a great read, and the Epictetus quote was a perfect touch. Mauricio here — I lead growth at Audioread. We loved Catcrafts so much that we turned it into audio, for free. Your last f...
I actually use the m-dash, when on my desktop. When using KDE it's "alt gr + -" in the German keyboard layout. |
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vogi
piefed.social
vogi@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-09-07 |
I can't make this up, it gets even funnier. I downloaded their sample and put it on my server. Seems like my instance doesn't like audio, here's the link: https://catcrafts.net/media/30dcd0f90a71d861.mp3 Listen to 00:10
lol. Don't skip to the timestamp though! The build up made it funnier imo |
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WhyJiffie
sh.itjust.works
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-07-11 |
I can't make this up, it gets even funnier. I downloaded their sample and put it on my server. Seems like my instance doesn't like audio, here's the link: https://catcrafts.net/media/30dcd0f90a71d861.mp3 Listen to 00:10
LOL! they didn't bother to even just proofhear the generated audio! mauricio, you can fuck right off. |
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MaskedNybbles
piefed.social
MaskedNybbles@piefed.social Joined: 2026-04-02 |
I actually use the m-dash, when on my desktop. When using KDE it's "alt gr + -" in the German keyboard layout.
Took a look and the layout seems to have hyphen and en dash—default—for |
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laranis
lemmy.zip
laranis@lemmy.zip Joined: 2024-02-02 |
I can't make this up, it gets even funnier. I downloaded their sample and put it on my server. Seems like my instance doesn't like audio, here's the link: https://catcrafts.net/media/30dcd0f90a71d861.mp3 Listen to 00:10
Lmfao |
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dellish
lemmy.world
dellish@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-11 |
LOL! they didn't bother to even just proofhear the generated audio! mauricio, you can fuck right off.
OK, I'm officially too old for this shit. |
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sznowicki
lemmy.world
sznowicki@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-02 |
Interesting, maybe a thing for the next test? I assume they get some sort of identifier/metadata in emergency calls (IMSI?) in case no SIM is available?
Donno about rest of the world but in EU mobile phones are required to not offer emergency calls without SIM cards. Phones or operators. Don’t remember. That’s due to way too many fake calls and problems with tracking them down. |
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jumping redditor [they/them]
sh.itjust.works
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-07-30 |
Donno about rest of the world but in EU mobile phones are required to not offer emergency calls without SIM cards. Phones or operators. Don’t remember. That’s due to way too many fake calls and problems with tracking them down.
in the us all phones have 911 access regardless of if thry are paying for any plan |
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jumping redditor [they/them]
sh.itjust.works
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-07-30 |
what is NAW and AML? |
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TheMightyCat
ani.social
TheMightyCat@ani.social Joined: 2025-06-30 |
what is NAW and AML?
NAW is the data the operator can get from the phone number, static data from the carrier subscription. It's dutch for name, address, city. AML is Advanced Mobile Location, a standard that allows your phone to send the GPS coordinates to the operator. |
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jumping redditor [they/them]
sh.itjust.works
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-07-30 |
NAW is the data the operator can get from the phone number, static data from the carrier subscription. It's dutch for name, address, city. AML is Advanced Mobile Location, a standard that allows your phone to send the GPS coordinates to the operator.
I wpold hope that if linux phones support AML that they have ways of disabling it. |
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jinwk00
sh.itjust.works
jinwk00@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-06-18 |
I wpold hope that if linux phones support AML that they have ways of disabling it.
Why so? IIRC it only sends to emergency services no? |
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jumping redditor [they/them]
sh.itjust.works
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-07-30 |
Why so? IIRC it only sends to emergency services no?
I have no faith that ICE wouldn't have access to the data from US dispatch offices |
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guillem
aussie.zone
guillem@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-06-20 |
Donno about rest of the world but in EU mobile phones are required to not offer emergency calls without SIM cards. Phones or operators. Don’t remember. That’s due to way too many fake calls and problems with tracking them down.
Until 10 years ago it was totally possible. The emergency operator could see your IMEI, that you had no SIM, and which antenna was giving you coverage, but the network wouldn't deny you the call. It was possible to get a legit 112 call that looked like it had no SIM because the phone had suffered damages during whichever accident prompted the call. Actually the 112 service used to brag about being able to get your call in the most miserable scenarios. |
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theskyisfalling
lemmy.dbzer0.com
theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2023-07-20 |
Loving these updates and the work you are putting in. I just wish these phones weren't so disgustingly expensive so that I could grab one and try it all out. Maybe in the future! |
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k0e3
lemmy.ca
k0e3@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-03 |
I actually use the m-dash, when on my desktop. When using KDE it's "alt gr + -" in the German keyboard layout.
Same. But what's Gr? I use Ctrl shift u + 2014 |
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wonderingwanderer
sopuli.xyz
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2025-12-31 |
I can't make this up, it gets even funnier. I downloaded their sample and put it on my server. Seems like my instance doesn't like audio, here's the link: https://catcrafts.net/media/30dcd0f90a71d861.mp3 Listen to 00:10
Holy hell, that's funny |
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wizzor
sopuli.xyz
wizzor@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-06-14 |
I have no faith that ICE wouldn't have access to the data from US dispatch offices
If I have understood correctly, it is only sent when you place an emergency call. I think your concern should be more about the carriers sharing cell association data with them - as long as the phone is on, that can be used to track location pretty accurately. But a toggle would be nice, I agree. |
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sznowicki
lemmy.world
sznowicki@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-02 |
in the us all phones have 911 access regardless of if thry are paying for any plan
SIM card in EU doesn’t need to be active. It’s enough to have one inside that was activated in the past. |
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Domi
lemmy.secnd.me
domi@lemmy.secnd.me Joined: 2023-06-04 |
Donno about rest of the world but in EU mobile phones are required to not offer emergency calls without SIM cards. Phones or operators. Don’t remember. That’s due to way too many fake calls and problems with tracking them down.
I can only go by what my government tells me but I don't think that's true:
Translation:
Not that I regularily call them but my phone still shows "Emergency calls only" when no SIM is inserted. Source: https://www.bundeskanzleramt.gv.at/themen/europa-aktuell/2026/02/europaeischer-notruf-112.html |
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ggtdbz
lemmy.dbzer0.com
ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-04-17 |
LMAO guess what just showed up in my company mailbox? Hi, I came across Catcrafts recently and have really enjoyed following the Fairphone 6 PostmarketOS work — the post on getting VoLTE calls with working audio was a great read, and the Epictetus quote was a perfect touch. Mauricio here — I lead growth at Audioread. We loved Catcrafts so much that we turned it into audio, for free. Your last f...
Oh it’s nice you’re getting some recognition from what seems to be OH HELL NO |
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EisFrei
lemmy.world
EisFrei@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-11 |
Same. But what's Gr? I use Ctrl shift u + 2014
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k0e3
lemmy.ca
k0e3@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-03 |
Cool, thanks!
I dunno, this sounded so badass. "Wir müssen tiefer gehen!" |
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