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Grainne lemmy.dbzer0.com Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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#52 · Quote Reply
thoro wrote:
Sure, but the alternative is often "condemn every implementation of socialism except the failed experiments in Ukraine and Catalonia or else you're a red fascist". Left unity is just supposed to be about focusing on building communism over sectarianism. Going into that space and immediately starting to go on a tirade about China or something is pretty much the same thing this post is about but ...

Not everyone on the left wants to build communism, I want to build anarchism. And I want to do that through not empowering authoritarian governments, even if they are a mythological dictatorship of the proletariat.

We can agree on fighting capitalism and fascism, but when the disagreement is on authority things fall apart. Which is why I don’t call for left unity, I call for unity with anti-authoritarians.

Left Unity is a saying for Marxists, because it never translates to what we’re fighting for.
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technocrit lemmy.dbzer0.com technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-02-19
#53 · (edited) Quote Reply

the industrial/economic “miracle”,

YDI. Nobody should support this imperial religion.
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technocrit lemmy.dbzer0.com technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-02-19
#54 · Quote Reply
subversive_dev wrote:
I think it's best described as a philosophy that permeates their whole system of government. I think these examples are illustrative of the principle in action: The Five-Year Plans aren't just dreamed up by Xi Jinping, there's a nationwide consultation process that starts from the bottom and builds up to a presentation for approval at the "Two Sessions". That's part of why they have so much int...

If 311 is in your top 3 examples of "people's democracy", that's pretty weak.
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technocrit lemmy.dbzer0.com technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-02-19
#55 · (edited) Quote Reply
Commiunism wrote:
Hue and cry

Yeah that's why we don't fuck with red fash.

"Left unity" just means bootlicking authoritarians.
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technocrit lemmy.dbzer0.com technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-02-19
#56 · Quote Reply
therealdries wrote:
hating the nations that should be your greatest allies in the fight. Yeah, I can just see these so-called "AES" falling over themselves to support socialist projects that can actually be called socialist with a straight face just like they've done... at absolutely no point in history whatsoever.

socialist projects that can actually be called socialist with a straight face

For example?
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Unruffled [they/them] lemmy.dbzer0.com Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2023-06-20
#57 · Quote Reply
subversive_dev wrote:
I wasn't banned for serious discussion according to the modlog. I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that the mod got emotional and banned on that basis. Now you and the mod are trying to move the goal posts and back-justify. I don't find it persuasive It's clear there will be nothing but deflection and denial here

In my experience, people who go about looking for trouble usually find it. Agatha Christie.
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therealdries lemmy.dbzer0.com therealdries@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2026-04-22
#58 · Quote Reply
technocrit wrote:
socialist projects that can actually be called socialist with a straight face For example?

Take your pick - there's a lot of examples in between Makhnovist Ukraine and Zapatista Chiappas.
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Karn, Liberated slrpnk.net karn@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2026-02-01
#59 · Quote Reply
Commiunism wrote:
Hue and cry

"We need left unity"

"Uh no, they kill us"

"WOMP WOMP"

Fash like you get bashed.
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Karn, Liberated slrpnk.net karn@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2026-02-01
#60 · Quote Reply
quill7513 wrote:
It's a common feature of Marxist thought. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withering_away_of_the_state https://everything.explained.today/Withering_away_of_the_state/ https://www.marxists.org/archive/hardcastle/1946/wither_away.htm

You can't expect them to read theory, they have to scream it at people instead.
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