Every conservative I know is sure this is all to support America and Americans.

Absolutely none of them can articulate in what way anything is helping the average person.

It almost always comes back to some variation of "less woke" and "no more DEI" which somehow equals good for everyday citizens. How? shrug if you don't know and don't accept this blindly, you are a Marxist left wing socialist antifa commie terrorist.

I prefer to think that MAGA is right, that Trump was sent by god, which kept that bullet inches from his head.

(Un)fortunately I diverge from his supporters in that I believe God wants to destroy America (the Great Satan).

He would be much worse at it.

The common response is: Immigration and Iran. They think both are going great and are worth any cost.

They aren't approaching any of this with with logic. They are being told what and why it's good and they do not and cannot question it.

Yeah but I hate America and I'm more on the side of the Satanists so that can't be it.

Average authoritarian follower. They don't have beliefs at all, they have orders.

In reality he's put there by the American elite to destroy America, so if can all be bought up cheaply and privatized by that elite. Because everything should be run like a business.

They're against DEI because they like uniformity, inequality and exclusion. In other words they're in it for the fascism.

Getting a taste of their own medicine.

He would not be able to shut up about it if he knew he was the puppet.

youre both right, trump is the last prophet of the demiurge

how are uessians still so convinced that their country is fundamentally a force for good, despite all of its history of warmongering, slavery and racism?

trump is a mushroom, the sprouting fruit of an ancient rot that’s been in your country since before its founding. not an agent of some evil Other, sent to corrupt and weaken an otherwise Good Country. the usa was never good.

I've used that to reasonable effect on my relatives. "Trump is a Russian agent" "No he's not that was never proven" "Well, if he's not getting paid by the Kremlin, he's doing everything they would pay him for for free. So, does it matter?"

"No it doesn't matter" ok then you want russia controlling the us

"No hes doing a great job" gestures around generally

He’s not though. While he’s been consistently destructive to the United States and its people (like an adversary would want) he has not consistently benefitted any specific adversary

Hmm what if he was being extorted tho? IIRC there’s a chance Putin has pics of Trump sucking off Clinton. If Putin used that, pardon the pun, trump card, I could see him being quiet about it.

Yeah, he would act more coherently and benefit some particular country more. As it stands he's just an idiot flailing around as an empire is crumbling underneath his feet. The US oligarchs who got him the position are benefitting immensely in the short-term with no regard for what happens in ten years.

Trump's so easily manipulated I don't think there is any hold Putin has over Trump.

All he needs is to think he's getting a good deal, be told he's winning, told that [whatever] is his best idea yet and he'll do it.