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alapakala
quokk.au
alapakala@quokk.auJoined: 2026-03-16 |
dunno the accusatives & possessives, but if I follow middle English’s gendered pronouns, we could use: e.g. What do you think? Reminds me of: Optional title: when you learn time is a flat circle |
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ComicalMayhem
lemmy.world
ComicalMayhem@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-05 |
Is it literally just the letter a? |
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farmgineer
nord.pub
farmgineer@nord.pub Joined: 2026-04-25 |
I'm definitely familiar with US English speakers who say something more like "ah've" than "i've". |
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alapakala
quokk.au
alapakala@quokk.auJoined: 2026-03-16 |
Is it literally just the letter a?
Correct. I was researching if Middle English Speakers had accusatives & possessives transformations for “a,” but I couldn't find any of the available papers alive if they had any transformations whatsoever. I am trying to see if we can make our own, or stick to David Lindsay’s ae/aer (1920), or Francis Augustus Brewster’s e/em/es (1841). “Ou” doesn't fit right with modern “We/us/our” |
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alapakala
quokk.au
alapakala@quokk.auJoined: 2026-03-16 |
I'm definitely familiar with US English speakers who say something more like "ah've" than "i've".
that's actually natural. but I was looking for 3rd person singular [unknown gender] pronouns to replace Francis Augustus Brewster’s e/em/es (1841), to find out Middle English speakers already had. |
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farmgineer
nord.pub
farmgineer@nord.pub Joined: 2026-04-25 |
that's actually natural. but I was looking for 3rd person singular [unknown gender] pronouns to replace Francis Augustus Brewster’s e/em/es (1841), to find out Middle English speakers already had.
Ah, my brain read the first definition and totally forgot you put 3rd person in the title and failed to see the following definitions. Oops. |
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alapakala
quokk.au
alapakala@quokk.auJoined: 2026-03-16 |
Ah, my brain read the first definition and totally forgot you put 3rd person in the title and failed to see the following definitions. Oops.
It's alright. I still want your input:
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farmgineer
nord.pub
farmgineer@nord.pub Joined: 2026-04-25 |
It's alright. I still want your input: a/am/as a/ar/ars ae/aer e/em/es they/them [insert your own]
I'm fine with singular they, personally, but as a cis-het guy, I'm not sure I'm the most qualified to be speaking on the subject, heh. If something shorter was desired, maybe |
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alapakala
quokk.au
alapakala@quokk.auJoined: 2026-03-16 |
📝 |
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alapakala
quokk.au
alapakala@quokk.auJoined: 2026-03-16 |
I'm fine with singular they, personally, but as a cis-het guy, I'm not sure I'm the most qualified to be speaking on the subject, heh. If something shorter was desired, maybe y (pronounced more like /i/) like french uses in another context that otherwise never stands alone in English and shouldn't really be homophonic with anything else meaningful when usage is considered.
So “e/em/es,” (4) or french “J’y” (6)? Does french “y” have accusative or possessive transformations, or is it combinational? |
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Of the Air (cele/celes)
lemmy.blahaj.zone
oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2024-07-20 |
Spoilers for The Long Earth series What about First Person Singular? |
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farmgineer
nord.pub
farmgineer@nord.pub Joined: 2026-04-25 |
So “e/em/es,” (4) or french “J’y” (6)? Does french “y” have accusative or possessive transformations, or is it combinational?
French 'y' is like 'there' in English, roughly (IIRC; it's been decades). But, since English doesn't use it, it doesn't matter. Presumably, it would take a normal |
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alapakala
quokk.au
alapakala@quokk.auJoined: 2026-03-16 |
📝 🔍 Marshall, W. [1789] 1873-74. Rural economy of Glocestershire. Reprinted as Provincialisms of the vale of Gloucester. Publication of the English Dialect Society, no. 2, 55-60. London: Truebner.
After reading the reference, page 155 ¶3, it doesn't note “a,” but “Ou” and used as singular “They.” |
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alapakala
quokk.au
alapakala@quokk.auJoined: 2026-03-16 |
French 'y' is like 'there' in English, roughly (IIRC; it's been decades). But, since English doesn't use it, it doesn't matter. Presumably, it would take a normal 's for possession. I don't know about accusative or dative.
So, something like y/y/y’s: e.g. |
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deadbeef79000
lemmy.nz
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz Joined: 2023-06-17 |
Spoilers for The Long Earth series What about First Person Singular?
Thanks for the rabbit hole. Requesting those book from my local library. |
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Another Catgirl
lemmy.blahaj.zone
anothercatgirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2023-06-15 |
what are the verb conjugations to go with these pronouns? I think Wiktionary might have them... |
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alapakala
quokk.au
alapakala@quokk.auJoined: 2026-03-16 |
📝 🔍 Marshall, W. [1789] 1873-74. Rural economy of Glocestershire. Reprinted as Provincialisms of the vale of Gloucester. Publication of the English Dialect Society, no. 2, 55-60. London: Truebner.
No accusatives or possessives either😔 |
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alapakala
quokk.au
alapakala@quokk.auJoined: 2026-03-16 |
what are the verb conjugations to go with these pronouns? I think Wiktionary might have them...
In Middle English? Unsure I follow. I’m looking for canonical accusatives & possessive case transformations. It’s looking as if “a” was only a Nominative pronoun: thus it may not have any. At all all. |
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