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alyaza [they/she]
beehaw.org
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Sanctus
anarchist.nexus
Sanctus@anarchist.nexusJoined: 2025-09-08 |
Looking at the rest of the game, take out the GenAI cut scenes and draw them? I dont see how this can't be saved. |
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kehet
sopuli.xyz
kehet@sopuli.xyzJoined: 2024-04-24 |
It’s not the AI itself I hate, it’s the laziness and the shoddy quality it churns out. Ten years ago, mistakes like these wouldn't have stood a chance in a human artist's work, so why are they suddenly acceptable just because it's AI? Does nobody bother with quality control anymore? If your budget is tight and you want to scrimp, fine, that's understandable but you should at least make an effort to hide how cheap you're being. |
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mrmaplebar
fedia.io
mrmaplebar@fedia.ioJoined: 2025-09-27 |
It’s not the AI itself I hate, it’s the laziness and the shoddy quality it churns out. Ten years ago, mistakes like these wouldn't have stood a chance in a human artist's work, so why are they suddenly acceptable just because it's AI? Does nobody bother with quality control anymore? If your budget is tight and you want to scrimp, fine, that's understandable but you should at least make an effor...
Personally I have major ethical objections to the way that the vast majority of generative AI is done today, so I'm pretty much against it regardless of the hypothetical perceived quality of the end result. The ends really don't justify the means, and I want to support the human beings working hard to make authentic media in the future. I don't want to play someone's lazy and exploitative AI slop game any more than I want to look at someone's slop art or listen to slop music. |
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Mordikan
kbin.earth
Mordikan@kbin.earthJoined: 2025-06-05 |
There is a game that is upcoming that I was interested in that clearly used generative AI in a gameplay trailer. I should say I'm not pro/anti generative AI. I'm right down the middle, I see the issues and the potential, so the presence of AI itself for me isn't a deal killer (Crimson Desert for example). But, the issue is that this game falsely represented what is going to be in the game. The lighting isn't planned to be that good. The model rigging isn't meant to be that fluid. Etc, etc. The problem is a matter of dishonesty. If a developer uses generative AI for test assets and placeholders, I don't see that as an issue (especially if they admit to and own that fact). If they use that material for trailers to showcase their work when that will not be part of the work, then that is a different story as that introduces that dishonesty. |
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eleijeep
piefed.social
eleijeep@piefed.social Joined: 2025-09-22 |
Anyone can make slop. That's the entire point of it. So why would you think that anyone is going to pay money for your slop? |
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Skua
kbin.earth
Skua@kbin.earth Joined: 2024-03-17 |
Looking at the rest of the game, take out the GenAI cut scenes and draw them? I dont see how this can't be saved.
There are two big issues that that doesn't fix:
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BlameThePeacock
lemmy.ca
BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-10 |
Personally I have major ethical objections to the way that the vast majority of generative AI is done today, so I'm pretty much against it regardless of the hypothetical perceived quality of the end result. The ends really don't justify the means, and I want to support the human beings working hard to make authentic media in the future. I don't want to play someone's lazy and exploitative AI sl...
Human use in jobs requires keeping a human alive, which is in and of itself terrible for the environment. Some of them are really bad at it too, have you seen the work my 11 year old puts out? It's garbage. He can't even get 100% of his math questions correct, and don't even get me started on how poor his spelling is. He's had 11 years to get better and it still sucks. Do you know how many resources he's consumed in that training period? What if he never gets good at it? The entire argument AI being bad is based on an assumption that humans are somehow good. Objectively that is wrong. Only subjectively is there any argument for that. |
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Sanctus
anarchist.nexus
Sanctus@anarchist.nexusJoined: 2025-09-08 |
There are two big issues that that doesn't fix: Showing the trailer in this state very clearly implies that they don't really care about the game. Even if it really was only meant to be a placeholder, would you think highly of a game with obvious placeholder assets in its trailer? If it's not a placeholder, then they're passing off major things like what the protagonist looks like to the halluc...
Idk to me it looks like they either couldn't or just didn't spend time finding someone to draw those cutscenes. The rest of the game in the trailer appears to have a lot of work put into it. |
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chicken
lemmy.dbzer0.com
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2023-06-30 |
Can you leave a steam review and then refund a game? Otherwise how are so many people making the mistake of buying it when other reviews are already saying it has their dealbreaker issue of having used AI (that's apparently obvious as soon as the first cutscene)? |
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Helix 🧬
feddit.org
helix@feddit.org Joined: 2024-07-27 |
"Saw the very first cutscene, before any gameplay, and how the generative AI they used couldn't even keep the main character's model consistent," reads the "most helpful" Steam review for Vapor World. "From the trailers the gameplay looked pretty fun [but] unfortunately I support people not robots. If the look you want to go for is beyond the scope you can achieve right now then I suggest you c...
Yes, you can, and it shows how many hours you played. |
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Helix 🧬
feddit.org
helix@feddit.org Joined: 2024-07-27 |
Human use in jobs requires keeping a human alive, which is in and of itself terrible for the environment. Some of them are really bad at it too, have you seen the work my 11 year old puts out? It's garbage. He can't even get 100% of his math questions correct, and don't even get me started on how poor his spelling is. He's had 11 years to get better and it still sucks. Do you know how many reso...
Bet your 11yo is still better than AI at having a huge context window and hallucinating. |
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Helix 🧬
feddit.org
helix@feddit.org Joined: 2024-07-27 |
Idk to me it looks like they either couldn't or just didn't spend time finding someone to draw those cutscenes. The rest of the game in the trailer appears to have a lot of work put into it.
They could've animated the cutscenes in-engine though. |
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BlameThePeacock
lemmy.ca
BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-10 |
Bet your 11yo is still better than AI at having a huge context window and hallucinating.
Context window not so much. He is pretty solid with the hallucinations though. |
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Rothe
piefed.social
Rothe@piefed.social Joined: 2025-08-25 |
It’s not the AI itself I hate, it’s the laziness and the shoddy quality it churns out. Ten years ago, mistakes like these wouldn't have stood a chance in a human artist's work, so why are they suddenly acceptable just because it's AI? Does nobody bother with quality control anymore? If your budget is tight and you want to scrimp, fine, that's understandable but you should at least make an effor...
You should hate the AI itself as well. Fed on stolen IP, uses more power than a city (and all the carbon emissions that comes with being powered by unregulated gas plants), and being pushed by all tech oligarchs in order to take away owning personal computers so they can profit off of serfs having to subscribe to everything while stealing all of their data in the process. Then comes all the stupid shit AI does instead of what it was claimed to be able to do. But the underlying premise should be enough to make you hate the LLM AIs themselves. |
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onlooker
lemmy.ml
onlooker@lemmy.mlJoined: 2020-06-24 |
So... they're completely fine with hiding AI usage as long as noone can tell the difference? That is super shady, man. |
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sanpo
sopuli.xyz
sanpo@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-06-30 |
He continued: "That was a hasty judgment on my part. Unless AI takes one more leap and reaches a point where no one can tell the difference, what I believed was still closer to an ideal than a reality. I expected some of you would be disappointed by our use of AI. I did not expect it to become this big." So... they're completely fine with hiding AI usage as long as noone can tell the difference...
Yeah, it shows they think the bad output quality is the only valid reason you'd be against slop. |
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Skua
kbin.earth
Skua@kbin.earth Joined: 2024-03-17 |
Idk to me it looks like they either couldn't or just didn't spend time finding someone to draw those cutscenes. The rest of the game in the trailer appears to have a lot of work put into it.
Is that not concerning to you? |
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Sanctus
anarchist.nexus
Sanctus@anarchist.nexusJoined: 2025-09-08 |
couldn't or just didn't spend time finding someone Is that not concerning to you?
I dont even know who ALIVE, Inc is besides that they are releasing this game and have some help from a publisher. What is the level of that support? I dont know. How many devs are in the studio? Again, I don't know. Are they breezing by? Up to their eyeballs in stress? Does their publisher even help them get a cutscene artist like they should or did they tell the devs to use AI? We dont know. Judging by the content that is not AI, I'd say the devs can cook. So whose to say what happened here. But I doubt the intent was "lolz generated gayme and peepl buy". |
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Skua
kbin.earth
Skua@kbin.earth Joined: 2024-03-17 |
I dont even know who ALIVE, Inc is besides that they are releasing this game and have some help from a publisher. What is the level of that support? I dont know. How many devs are in the studio? Again, I don't know. Are they breezing by? Up to their eyeballs in stress? Does their publisher even help them get a cutscene artist like they should or did they tell the devs to use AI? We dont know. J...
Does any of that actually matter? If they took on a project too big for their studio to do properly, it's going to suck regardless of why they did it. If they were forced into it by a publisher or similar then I'll have some sympathy for them, but I don't pick games to play based on how sorry I feel for the devs |
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Sanctus
anarchist.nexus
Sanctus@anarchist.nexusJoined: 2025-09-08 |
Does any of that actually matter? If they took on a project too big for their studio to do properly, it's going to suck regardless of why they did it. If they were forced into it by a publisher or similar then I'll have some sympathy for them, but I don't pick games to play based on how sorry I feel for the devs
Go play the demo. I actually dont know why they did that cause the game itself is pretty good. So its hard to say. Usually if you can't get someone to do this art thats what the publisher is for (for an example this is what Adult Swim did for Video Cult when they made Rain World) and they apparently have one. |
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belated_frog_pants
beehaw.org
belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org Joined: 2023-06-09 |
If a game has AI touch it, im out. Pay the fucking artists and developers. AI is always the tool of the c-suite to save money on paying humans. Dont let them live it down, ever. |
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Janx
piefed.social
Janx@piefed.social Joined: 2025-12-19 |
Looking at the rest of the game, take out the GenAI cut scenes and draw them? I dont see how this can't be saved.
Apparently, they already did.
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Janx
piefed.social
Janx@piefed.social Joined: 2025-12-19 |
It looks like they removed all AI (except for narration). I'd prefer if even that was done by a voice actor, but oh well...
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Sanctus
anarchist.nexus
Sanctus@anarchist.nexusJoined: 2025-09-08 |
Apparently, they already did. There's a trace of surprise in the inevitable statement made by studio director Young Kim, who promised the AI-generated cutscenes would be replaced "by this weekend" (this has already happened).
I hate the modern day. We're gonna be in this bullshit forever. Does any of this uproar matter? Has anyone here even played the free demo? Find out next time on Panic Globe Z. |
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pawb.social
Kolanaki@pawb.socialJoined: 2024-10-06 |
Yes, you can, and it shows how many hours you played.
It also shows if you refunded the game or got the game for free. |
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naevaTheRat
lemmy.dbzer0.com
naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2023-07-02 |
Personally I have major ethical objections to the way that the vast majority of generative AI is done today, so I'm pretty much against it regardless of the hypothetical perceived quality of the end result. The ends really don't justify the means, and I want to support the human beings working hard to make authentic media in the future. I don't want to play someone's lazy and exploitative AI sl...
There's a fictional world in which these machine learning techniques are developed on submissions that are volunteered, rollout is socially and politically responsible, control and means of production are democratised, and development is guided by public interest. Unfortunately we don't live in that world and I think given the one we live in it's actually completely reasonable to find the outputs repulsive. |
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ɔiƚoxɘup
beehaw.org
Quexotic@beehaw.orgJoined: 2023-06-16 |
If a game has AI touch it, im out. Pay the fucking artists and developers. AI is always the tool of the c-suite to save money on paying humans. Dont let them live it down, ever.
I got expedition 33 as a gift. Still haven't played it |
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