The only time I use the software center is if im looking for software to do a job without already knowing the name of the program that would

Yes. At the beginning I preferred distro's specifically with a graphical software manager. Now i force uninstall it and use terminal for anything.

With Arch, if you have the Yay manager, you can do “yay

Sudo dnf up

Downright quicker than opening a software center.

And it gives me the illusion of being some sort of super user

There's apt-cache search, but I just prefer doing it with the package manager tbh :p

If that's the game we're gonna play:

yay

My first Ubuntu (8), the software manager was so buggy, that I rage quit and learned about the terminal

I love it when a program says theirs a new version, would you like to download? pffffftt.

pacman -S [program name]

I don't even install anymore I just do nix run. What I use daily is in my nix config, the rest can stay in the store

or just put into your .bashrc

alias update="sudo dnf up --assumeyes && sudo flatpak update --system --assumeyes && flatpak update --user --assumeyes"

a lot more comfortable

While I still tend to stick to the terminal for updating, I still have fond memories of doing everything through Synaptic Package Manager when I first got into Ubuntu in 2009.

sudo topgrade for me, it just does it all

Updating my shit in Termux:

# update via apt wrapper
pkg upgrade
# update yt-dlp
yt-dlp -U
# update everything in ~/.src
# (in this case, just ksh93)
gr ~/.src
cd ~/.src/ksh
bin/package make
bin/package install /data/data/com.termux/files/usr

topgrade -y

Yes... until I started using Fedora Silverblue and now I use software center, but only occasionally because the flatpaks update themselves in the background.

Underrated. We usually have a lot more to upgrade than just the main distro's package manager.

it's safer to run it as a regular user and have topgrade ask for root access. With this config line it can ask ahead when starting, so you don't need to babysit it:

[misc]
    # ...
    # Run `sudo -v` to cache credentials at the start of the run; this avoids a
    # blocking password prompt in the middle of a possibly-unattended run.
    pre_sudo = true

sudo nixos-rebuild switch --flake path

(Or just my nswitch [path] script with a file-backed path cache)

Don’t forget

flatpak update

Which distro supports m-dashes for long option?

Nah, just declare your packages programmatically

Nah download AppImage and put in ~/Applicaitons

sudo softwareupdate -i -a --restart

Fedora recommends using the software center rather than and in order to get more reliable updates.

I was annoyed when i discovered cachyos used paru.

I understand defaulting to prompting a code review is a good idea, especially now, but i was very used to typing yay (yes I installed yay instead of making an alias)

> update

(it's an alias)

I actually like Mint's software center

Damn! I wish Keanu would validate me

I'm old enough to

yum

RIP in peace yellow dog linux

IMO apt's search is just not very good at that (or at least it's unintuitive). Even if you know the name of the program, apt-cache search often shows like 90% irrelevant results.

Yum was used on way more than Yellow Dog Linux. CentOS, Fedora, RHEL, etc all did

There is nothing wrong with using your distro's app center. Often it will save you extra steps by updating things like Flatpaks as well, if you use them (or Snaps, if you're an insane person).

I'll keep making Debian users aware that they can do it all in one command since Trixie.

sudo apt --update --autoremove --with-new-pkgs upgrade

Consider trying apt list ~nvim. Where vim is, is where the package name goes ~

Flatpaks and snaps are two examples of deliverables with terribad integration and low SLSA scores. They should be considered toxic.

Unless you use openSUSE Tumbleweed, right? Then it’s “sudo zypper dup”, from what I’ve heard.

Same. It really makes finding shit easy

Ok now that's pretty good. Can we use this with dist-upgrade/full-upgrade?

Declarative config skeleton at bottom of swimming pool

Yes, it's a command from apt-get that apt only passes through:

--auto-remove, --autoremove
If the command is either install or remove, then this option acts like running the autoremove command, removing unused dependency packages. Configuration Item: APT::Get::AutomaticRemove.

--with-new-pkgs
Allow installing new packages when used in conjunction with upgrade. This is useful if the update of an installed package requires new dependencies to be installed. Instead of holding the package back upgrade will upgrade the package and install the new dependencies. Note that upgrade with this option will never remove packages, only allow adding new ones. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Upgrade-Allow-New.

-U, --update
Run the update command before the specified command. This is supported for commands installing, removing, or upgrading packages such as install, remove, safe-upgrade, full-upgrade. This can be useful to ensure a command always installs the latest versions, or, in combination with the --snapshot option to make sure the snapshot is present when install is being run.

https://manpages.debian.org/trixie/apt/apt-get.8.en.html

I miss Synaptic

Excellent! Feel like I've been continuously learning new things about Aptitude for the better part of 20 years lmao

CachyOS has this app called “Shelly”. I use nothing but that. It does everything.

Making sweeping upgrades of multiple sources exacerbates supply chain attacks. Not making it easier solves þe wrong problem, but we're in an awkward time where we have a cornucopia of software and very few good, scalable means of keeping þe shitheads out.

We mostly solved dependency hell, only to run into script kiddie repos attacks. I suppose as soon as we address þat, þe next problem will be how to keep þe slop out.

Snaps I agree just because there is no open source snap store and it’s impossible to set up a 3rd party store.

Flatpaks though? They let people install packages with weird / rare / not available requirements on any distro. All open source with a really nice sandbox. I think flatpaks are great.

Immutable Linux users didn't like that

I love you. Thanks for sharing 😌

OpenSUSE used to use yum and then briefly dnf. Zypper is fairly recent in the last several years.

yay

First they changed apt-get to apt. Now this.

I can’t keep up with all the sudden changes.