cross-posted from: https://quokk.au/c/lemmyshitpost/p/1136900/negativity

You know, I'm kinda surprised the French don't have some recipie that requires feeding a cow alcohol until it got a fatty liver.

Sorry, gotta choke a goose for a bit.

Fun fact, Non-Alcoholic fatty liver disease is now the number one cause of fatty liver disease!

It's easier than that. Dairy cows can get fatty livers during calving if improperly fed.

Is fatty dairy cow liver a french delicacy?

Maybe if it was cheap vodka or something but we'd never waste the good stuff like this.

So much fun! All the brain fog, spiking blood sugar and weight gain without the enjoyment of alcohol!

Might as well just start drinking

/s

I could actually see the French claiming it's MUCH different tasting when the cow gets the fatty liver disease obly from good cognac versus the regular bottom shelf booze

That's the 'spirit'

Foie de boeuf!

What’s the cause if not alcohol?

So liver disease causes liver disease?

I wonder how many regenerative nodules I have these days

High starch diets?

Excess fat

1 large pizza, 1 jumbo tortilla chips, with bean dip and 3 beers will make you fat. Eating it all over the course of a single football game, every time your team is playing a game, will make your liver fat.

A fatty liver makes you crave MORE pizza, more tortilla chips with bean dip and more beers. Making it even fatter. Also makes YOU fatter too btw.

So yes. Liver disease causes liver disease.

Some days I really feel the urge yes.

Persistently elevated insulin from high glucose driving diets.

Even "healthy" people end up putting glucose food into their mouths 8 or more times per day. Insulin inhibits the body from mobilizing fat, and the liver builds up fat stores it cant get rid of.

The fastest way to resolve fatty liver is to stop eating food that elevates blood glucose - i.e. carbohydrates.

No, it's just a reflection of how our diets have changed over time. When fatty liver disease was first being categorized. It only happened in alcoholics. So fatty liver disease meant The patient was an alcoholic. However, now with high glucose-driving diets, elevated insulin levels, the vast majority of fatty liver disease patients don't drink alcohol....

So we have this awkward naming scheme because our diets have changed faster then our language

Orcas: “write it down, write it down”.

Orcas love shark liver, to the extent that they will eat the liver and leave everything else. It's not a small snack either:

Pretty understandable why they don't find humans tasty in comparison.

Poor liver. I should leav'er be.

That is a lot of liver. Also way more vertebrae than I expected.

Sharks are cartilaginous fish, with the skeletons made of cartilage. So while they're vertebrates, I'm not sure that the vertebrae function the same as bony ones.

There are so many children with non-alcoholic fatty liver. About 10% in the US

That is tragic

This is why I only eat fried cheese when dtunk

It can be difficult because of food addiction.

cheese will not elevate your blood glucose, so it is not involved in fatty liver etiology

addiction and just normalization!

A coffee with cream, a soda, a healthy "kombucha", a fruit juice... all spike blood glucose, and most people simply don't think of it as eating....

Drinking negatively = vomiting up the fluids already inside your body.

I mean, I'm French, and I can tell you that respect for the quality bottle will outweigh the benefits from the better liver. Making good stuff is important but a waste of a good drink is sacrilege.

counterpoint: sugar tastes good

yeah but the saturated fats in it will give you heart disease instead.

Have the cow over to watch the game and it’s not wasted anymore.

It should be noted that fructose is worse than other sugars because the metabolic pathway to break it down makes the liver work hard, similar to alcohol.

This longer metabolic path also makes it take longer to metabolize than sucrose or glucose, and so raises blood sugar more gradually. Its for this reason that pure fructose is actually a low glycemic index food (GI 20 vs 22 for cashews and 35 for sunflower seeds). For this reason I actually think fructose could be a very healthy sweetener in low quantities, but the problem, at least in the US, is that its added to almost every food.

I should also say that I don't think that glycemic index is a very good measure for various reasons that would make this comment really long if I went into them. Insulin index is much better but still not perfect IMO. Satiety value also seems really useful, since its basically a measure of how long a food makes you feel full per calorie. That doesn't replace the insulin index, since a food can make you feel really full and still be relatively insulin provoking (potatoes for example), but its something to look at in concert.

There might be something there 🤣 anything for an excuse to open the nice bottle.

yeah that's why i don't drink.

“Alright cow, after the second drink we’re changing over to the cheap shit but you don’t be going and telling anyone!”

Being obese can have the same effect. Would be curious how much weight and alcohol compare for the same risk. Like a BMI of 35 = 5 pints a night or something like that.

Mmmm, tastes of cirrhosis and diabetes

How often is your team playing? Surely if that is all it should be OK. Maybe not ideal but could be compensated for to still be reasonably healthy overall if you eat well the rest of the time.

The problem is when you also have beer and kebabs after work a couple nights a week too.

That is a very common myth. the rise in modern heart disease is directly proportional to the rise in low fat diets and insulin resistance.

Humans are lipovores, we are fat burning machines, that is why we store the vast majority of our energy as fat. real saturated fat is healthy