He probably thinks it sucks

The man from Taoyuan, Taiwan, was sentenced to five months in prison for unlawfully recording intimate images.

His suspicions eventually led to a discovery on Christmas Eve. The husband accessed a robot vacuum at the property remotely through an app, intending to communicate with his wife using the device.

Instead, its live camera showed that another man was there, and he then activated the recording function, capturing footage of the two together.

It wasn't for catching her cheating, it was for unlawfully recording her having sex.

Taiwan sounds like a weird place, if you are not allowed to record a surveillance video in your own home.
It's irrelevant that it was done with a camera on a cleaner, it's no different than if it had been a dedicated surveillance.

TLDR: husband caught his wife cheating through the camera of a robot vacuum, then decided to start recording the affair to help his legal case. He won NT$500,000 but since he illegally recorded the affair he was sued back and fined NT$150,000 (or prison time if he wishes not to pay)

Yes, you're not allowed to abuse your spouse even within your own home.

"it's abuse to record" but not physical abuse, so it must be emotional then.

Is cheating not emotional abuse? What a weird take.

I wonder if it would be the same thought process if genders wre reversed.

afaict there were two abuses happening that were appropriately each dealt with separately

+1 Taiwan

If the article is accurate it sounds like their "reasonable expectation of privacy" focuses more on the individual than the location of the recording. Or maybe it's different for "intimate acts".

Which can be true in other countries too depending on the situation, where ownership of the location doesn't always allow you to record anybody within without consent.

My statement doesn't refute that two abuses happened.

to record a surveillance video in your own home.

It sounds less unreasonable if you say "secretly filming people fuck in private"

We also had a thing around here where some tv host got in trouble for using hidden bedroom cameras to record himself with unknowing people, as evidence in case of allegations.

Funny that you can sue for damages if your marital partner is cheating

Is she still a spouse if she's cheating with sex? No immediately not in my book.

If he pays, he still comes out 350k on top. I have no idea how Taiwan legal system works, but I assume lawyers aren't stupid expensive like they are in the usa.

Yes, one is still married until a divorce happens.

Did you read the article? She got punished for cheating within the marriage.

I agree with your overall logic, but I think you replied to the wrong person. They never even mentioned the word abuse, nor did they say it wasn't.

On one hand - yeah. On the other - perfect evidence for the divorce case.

I mean, it's not like he deliberately set up a hidden camera to record her having sex. Just used an already available camera, that presumably she knew was there, since you usually buy that kind of stuff together.

Without this recording she says she didn't cheat, he cannot prove otherwise, and money and assets get split unfairly.

Not necessarily saying this is how the case should have went. It's just another angle to look at the situation from.

I am utterly devoid of any sympathy for a cheater. Sorry but it takes a lot of shameless gall to sue someone or press charges for anything after they catch you cheating.

No, he literally got in legal trouble not for catching his wife cheating, but for illegally recording her.

That doesn't mean you get to abuse someone who has cheated.

Lol yup sure did, but they found the comment

He got in trouble for obtaining proof of her cheating, without which he may not have won the settlement that he won.

Good thing I am in a state that allows me to record without getting the other persons consent.

There are other ways to catch cheating that don't involve illegally recording someone without their consent.

The fact that people in here are trying to justify crimes against this woman is wild. Cheating doesn't strip away your rights or give permission for a spouse to abuse the other for cheating.

“it’s abuse to record”

You're the only one who put this quote in a comment here.

I suppose that has to do with privacy laws in whatever state/country… And whether or not they have been updated for modern considerations… Or persist to protect an individual’s privacy regardless of modernization… It all depends on one’s perspective.

I say all of this, of course, without knowing the specifics of the case, nor the specifics of the local laws in question.

I did, and while I agree that being ordered to pay money for that is bullshit and they should have just gotten a divorce and be done with it, that's not the point.

He was punished for recording in his own home.

That usually doesn't apply to recording people having sex.

He was punished for recording someone having sex without consent.

Please explain how you'd feel after the partner you are married to cheats on you, then sends you to jail for several months.

do you think it's abuse when someone hits someone else in self defence?

That doesn't allow me to start recording them having sex without consent, same as it doesn't allow me to hit them just because I'm angry.

Recording her having sex without consent is decidedly not the same as hitting someone in self-defense.

that's not what I asked.

Christ, Lemmy really is going downhill. Someone is making an argument of fact, and you're making an argument on emotions.

These are clearly not the same thing, yet you're still here making bad faith arguments.

I'm not disagreeing with you or justifying his actions. Just presenting the other side of the argument.

I'm curious though. How would you propose he catch her cheating, including proof beyond reasonable doubt, that would guarantee a similar settlement or better?

In the end, he got a nice settlement, but had to pay back a little less than a 3rd of it back for the recording. Sounds mostly fair, though I'd make it maybe a 5th or less instead of a 3rd.

gathering evidence of wrongdoing against you in order to be able to defend yourself in court against someone doing you harm is not the same as recording someone having sex for sexual gratification.

EDIT : If I take a picture of someone robbing my house when they are naked, am I getting "nudes" of them?

Well, that's not really a matter of opinion lol. Spouse is a specific legal term. They're still a spouse until a court dissolves the contract.

You can term this abuse if you want, but I see this as appropriate consequences for a hurtful act IMO. If you don't like that don't cheat.

Don't worry, I'm making arguments of fact elsewhere in the thread.

Because I don't think someone should be given free reign to break laws and abuse his spouse because they were caught cheating?

Is he allowed to tie her up and torture her, too? Post those videos online? Rape her?

Just straight up justification for abuse from this user, my goodness.

Reposted it to !aboringdystopia@lemmy.world

Revenge porn and recording someone having sex without consent is a crime regardless of what that person has done to you to hurt your feelings.

How would you propose he catch her cheating, including proof beyond reasonable doubt, that would guarantee a similar settlement or better?

If there is a start recording button there is a stop recording button, he could have tried to avoid filming during sex perhaps. Maybe there are other camera's in the house, or a video doorbell.. but generally I agree on this: it will be his word against her without any proof, the proof won't be proof when they're just in the same house at the same time. What's also weird if he would have entered the house and caught them having sex he wouldn't have invaded her privacy. If I were him i'd be upset I had to pay money but relieved to be receiving some and if i were her i'd be upset I had to pay money but relieved it could've been worse.

He absolutely had a good reason for that. It was crucial in the divorce settlement. You can't claim privacy when fucking around in your husbands bedroom.

You can’t claim privacy when fucking around in your husbands bedroom.

According to the courts in this story, yes, she can.

That's her bedroom, too, by the way. Not just her husband's.

reasonable expectation of privacy

And how did that term become relevant, when fucking in the bedroom she shared with her husband?
From a surveillance perspective, he is clearly an intruder, and she is his accomplish. This judgement is bullshit, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is overturned if he appeals it. But he probably won't for $4,700.

If your neighbours break into your house to have wild sex, they shouldn't be surprised if they got recorded - but that doesn't make it legal to record it.

Just like when the neighbours break into your house you're not allowed to kill them.

Someone breaking one law does not allow you to break another. That can seem unfair and become conflicting, but is a basic truth across the globe.