Natural odor is like perfume, mild and fresh and it's delightful, too much or left for days and it's no longer pleasant

Bro, I'm glad you've managed to find a husband who is totally cool with all that, but for most people the expectation for a date is best foot forward. This means washing up, dressing nicely, and in general treating it like it's a special occasion. If someone doesn't do that I'm likely to assume either indifference or that they are putting their best foot forward and are less put together normally. It's no different from cleaning your home before bringing someone back to it the first time. It says "I cared enough to clean up, and I don't live in filth or a massive mess"

But additionally, it is absolutely sustainable to change habits for what people find attractive/tolerable. Sure if something makes you miserable it isn't, but plenty of changes for others aren't ones that make a person miserable and absolutely can be sustained.

This is like when the news uses a tweet they found and they say "people are saying this!"

I mean I did just date a woman who told me she was into sniffing body odor. As in, would shove her nose into her ex's armpits after he mowed the lawn. We didn't date long enough for it to happen to me, but definitely a thing, for some people

Well you're not going keep a small army of incels addicted to "content" and dubious financial apps signed up to via affiliate links if you get them all laid now, are you?

There is a famous letter that Napoleon sent to Josephine with something along the lines of, “I’ll be home in a few weeks, don’t bath.”

Some people like the funk, but to assume that all women do is just foolish.

These same "men" wonder why no one loves them.

I just don't see the issue either way. Dating is for compatibility, the normalization of "putting your best foot forward" is not reflective of everyday life. But sure. Continue the trend that's led to a 50% divorce rate in the US and call me crazy 🤷‍♂️.

And to clarify, I've never at any point said to be unhygienic. There's a difference between hygiene and ritual and the cleaning regime of most people falls into the latter category and is actually, perhaps unintuitvely, damaging to your skin.

Your dating partner imo should also be comfortable with you as you are, not under any specific or special circumstances. It's not sustainable over long periods of time such as the decades you'll potentially spend together. Perhaps this is just the perspective of an old soul, but I've been around the block and I've found the more effort you put in outside of your normal self, the more likely you are to find out you're incompatible farther down the line than right away. I'm not trying to give an excuse to the guy who's not showered in a week or who absolutely reeks the second the walk in the room, but to pretend it's something you must do before a date and that going into it smelling natural is obscene is just investing heavily into a pervasive peacocking mindset that's caused everyone to be more shallow in their day to day. It's a side effect of the commercialization of personal health.

I also wonder why no one loved them. It's clear they didn't get enough love from their parents and family. Their support system is lacking in some fundamental way that they would turn to grifters to feel cared for.

butt mining

Nah, your just not bright. You don't like science.

100 percent disagree. The number one thing that women consider in a long term partner is financial stability. People confuse "kind to me" as kind. The shittiest rich people have the most partners. People are attracted to power and success. The stories come along after.

Well, I was nice to her, and now I'm married, so...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Doesn't mean your a nice person.....

Or was that MTG. Same shit applies, probably. Not much time for hygiene when you're trying to catch up on One Piece, Bleach and Naruto.

OK, well then I'm glad I said, "be nice to them," not, "be a nice person in your heart of hearts."

I have a lot less sympathy. Sometimes people have plenty of love and support and they just do weird messed up shit, or stuff like think the confident Internet guy has good dating advice.

Not everyone who does stuff like this was failed by the system. It's not falling through the cracks if you pull yourself through the hole.

I think everyone knows what is good and bad body odor. If you are healthy, have a good diet, don't smoke and limit alcohol, you're likely to have a please body odor even after training.

Some people are. It's also a question of what the man wants - a lot of shitty short term partners, or one (or a small number) of hight quality long term partners. The latter is better achieved by being kind to the partner.

Yes, it is incredibly stupid.

"You didn't take a shower? Your arm pits must STINK!"

• "Well, I washed those with soap and water in the sink."

"That's DISGUSTING. You must stink."

• "Well, no, what I'm explaining to you is that I washed my pits with soap and water, the same way I would if I were in a shower."

"I'm sure people are just too polite to tell you."

etc.

Note: Listening to female influencers instead won't necessarily solve these kinds of issues, since women grifters also exist. They just (usually) give you different bad answers.

Well then you're just manipulating the other person. Back to the disingenuous acts. But that's OK.

Maybe, but some people are just scum.

oh here we go. with the nice guys. yeah, be an aggro butthole, lay out the insults, they LOVE IT! buddy. you've been sold the garbage and you're eating it.

Just to be clear to anyone that buys into this nonsense. Humans don't produce any kind of pheromones at all, we also don't select mates based on smells we like, the only chemical that effects a human's sexual arousal is testosterone and the most readily avaliable source is male saliva, so everything before the point you're open mouth kissing is social selection, not chemical, stop being gross and wash your ass.

this is actually a part of the process for self mummification....

some people are really sensitive to tea treec oil smell, I honestly find it pretty upsetting to smell, had to use it as some sort of remedy for something I don't remember, but I remember how much I hated the smell. there's always a downside to over doing it on smells.

ok, maybe pheromones is not the right word, but the smell of fresh sweat is 100% afrodisiac

ok, maybe pheromones is not the right word, but the smell of fresh sweat is 100% afrodisiac

It's just a smell that some people like, and others really, really don't. Nothing more to it.

That's a lot of projection, I never said any of that. All I said was that being a nice person isn't what attracts mates.

did you try pissing your pants to attract a mate?

No because then you'd smell like piss. Do you pee your pants?

Women (subjectively, admittedly) smell so much nicer than men ever have when they stink.

A stinky man smells like mildew and mold. A stinky woman smells like sweat, but in a very sweet way