Both are capitalist countries?

But one is more capitalist than the other

No. They're both equally capitalist. Having 1 extra government program doesn't make you socialist

also their Healthcare is constantly under attack by conservatives and corporations, they aren't going to have it forever unless they're willing to actually fight for it and legislate it in a more ironclad fashion.

Absolutely. This is all true. I love the NHS, it's wonderful. Both my children were born on the NHS. Britain is still capitalist.

British Colonialism walks in the room

One's just got more gullible people than the other, and boy, that bar is low

Hmm. So that isn't the difference.

England has also been having issues with measles.

The sad truth is it isn't the system that is the problem.

no, it very much is the system thats the problem. Its been very very slightly mitigated by decent governance in the UK, and theyre trying to kill that too. Its very VERY much the system that is the problem

I would like reiterate that it is the culture that is the problem. It does not matter if you pass the best policies if they are not enforced. It doesn't matter if the law says everyone is equal when the reality is some get unequal representation and preferential treatment.This is the real conodorum we are facing and it is all about who we are and not the systems we are flaunting.

We can agree to disagree here.

we could agree to disagree, but you are simply incorrect if you don't think the systems in place are part of the problem

Because of fucktards that dont believe in vaccine, I wonder where they got that bullshit from.

Well you convinced me /s

I'm not trying to convince you. There's no point bothering to argue with someone this out of touch with reality

Are you always this insufferable?

No, only to people who can't see their own nose in front of their face

The answer is yes then.

For people who think that capitalism isn't the cause of our socioeconomic problems, yes

Ah yes, like I never said any of that...That is a nice strawman you have constructed. Perhaps you should examine why Socialism and Communism have always fallen short of their goals (hint: they have the same cultural issues that capitalism has faced just different manifestations).

You could create the most perfect system only to have people totally fuck it up.