Excludes cannabis products and requires both refillable and rechargeable vapes. I get that this lessens the amount going into a landfill, but it doesn't solve any problem. As long as disposable batteries are on the market, where is the infrastructure to safely recycle or dispose of those batteries?

I don't understand what you're saying. How does moving from disposable to refillable and rechargeable not solve any problem? Do you mean completely? It will be a great improvement in any case.

Excludes cannabis. May as well be banning adult diapers when the problem is all disposable diapers.

I haven't read the article. Is there any explanation for why cannabis was excluded? Also, for your comparison to make sense, the vast majority of disposable vapes sold would have to be cannabis. I could be totally wrong, but I've never had the impression that there are more cannabis vapers than regular vapers.

Could you clarify what you're not understanding?

I know I'm only repeating myself but:
It lessens the problem, but it doesn't solve anything. There will still be batteries from these devices thrown in the trash (many of them,) and there's no infrastructure to actually recycle or dispose of these things.

I get that this lessens the amount going into a landfill, but it doesn’t solve any problem.

How do you eat a whale?

You change the system because you know that eating whales is wrong. You don't just hack off the fins and call it a win.

I get what you mean now. You mean adequately and fully solve the issue as opposed to reduce it. I can't argue with that, but just think that like that saying goes, we shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Also, how do any rechargeable batteries for any device (like mobile phones, for instance) get recycled now, and why can't these batteries be recycled the same way if the batteries were collected in the same way as those other devices' batteries?

Exactly. I do appreciate that this will help reduce some waste, but without addressing the actual problem of recycling those batteries, lessening the impact isn't getting us very far.

I agree with you that this is a start, and that's something, but it's missing the point. Perhaps ongoing issues with batteries in landfills will indicate that more needs to be done.

I am speaking metaphorically. But if you discount tactical victories because you're waiting for the be-all, end-all solution, you're going to be waiting for a long time. Every ounce of waste that doesn't go into landfills today is an ounce we won't have to deal with tomorrow, and that is a win. Similarly, every legislative action that curbs some small subset of pollution frees up resources to work toward the next small victory. Winning a battle doesn't mean the war is over, but wars are won by winning battles.

Also not sure what you mean by "changing the system". Clearly you are dissatisfied by this legislation, but this is changing the system. And large, complicated systems generally change one small change at a time.

Hear me out. Some pods or refills hold their own charge for a few discrete puffs using a super capacitor. Like a battery, but no lithium and very little capacity. Those designs are nice. The lithium filled rechargeable main battery is a one time purchase. I fear intelligent designs like that would be effected by this legislation

Really? I guess my experience is different but I've seen way more people using THC vapes than tobacco. That might be skewed and is a small sample size since it's just me but yeah I could see the market for disposal THC vapes being larger than other vapes.

I mean probably excluded for the same reason things usually are, money and kickbacks. I didn't read the article either.

Right, this is a step forward. The next step would be to require either a) all devices with batteries have user-replaceable batteries, b) a deposit system similar to aluminum cans but much higher value, to incentivize people to return the devices (or batteries) instead of tossing them in the trash, or, ideally, both a and b.

Yes, I don't think I've ever actually run into someone using a cannabis vape, but I run into people using regular vapes nearly every day and often multiple times a day.

And yes, excluded because of corruption or some other form of unfair manipulation wouldn't surprise me either. I'll try to read the article later because the whole disposable vape thing has been a pet peeve for me.

These are great ideas!

I'm dissatisfied that there isn't a course of action for consumers to recycle or dispose of batteries at their end of use. As I discussed with someone else, I can appreciate that it is a step towards something better, and that is something, but it seems like it will take ongoing catastrophes in waste management to highlight that there needs to be a solution for what someone does with the battery at the end. This needs to be considered.

Just to make my Thai friends laugh, I should have responded:

Fried?

Thanks! :) Maybe I should run for office, but I don't hold the illusion that I would be able to change these things.

As am I. And unfortunately, we have an ongoing catastrophe in waste management right now that is largely being ignored, this particular legislation being an all-too-rare exception.

I think it would be quite cool if we could manage a comprehensive standardization of all batteries, and have legislation that requires all devices to use standard removable / replaceable batteries, and have municipal recycling systems where residents could dispose of old batteries of all types with no fee, or even swap an old battery for a new one. Domestic battery reconditioning would provide jobs, reduce waste, and reduce our dependence on foreign minerals. Heck, it might even end up helping device manufacturers in the long term if they can assume that consumers have access to batteries that don't have to be shipped overseas. Seems like a slam dunk to me.

But, until I become a congressional majority leader, or congress becomes significantly cooler about stuff, I don't think I have much of a chance of getting that passed. So I settle for smaller wins while I work on getting the big stuff viable.

How do you eat a whale?

With a paper straw?

I bike when it's not stupid hot and I always bring a ziplock bag to toss old vapes I find.

At no particular time, I'll pull them apart and remove the battery in order to use with various small things. The plastic all goes into the garbage.

I find several on any given ride.

It's disgusting.

Wow. Thanks for doing that. I've never even seen a disposable vape before. What a gawdawful idea.

Dude, humans as a species are strait up retarted. It took how have decades for humans to agree smoking tobacco was even bad, while they made fucking CARTOON CHARACTERS as mascots the hole claiming to not be targeting minors.

Now they're sitting here arguing if inhaling unregulated shit/heavy metals into your lungs could be bad? While insisting they eat only organic food because, you know, chemicals.

I'm am 100% firm that natural selection (lack of) has caused humans irreparable harm. Seriously take the warning labels off everything and let nature take it's course. Plastic bag warnings? Bro if you're too young to read you legitimately don't know better and the warning doesn't help you at all, if you are old enough to read the warning and haven't figured out it's bad? You don't need to reproduce ever. It's RAID ok to eat? Well it KILLS ANIMALS so do you really need a warning?

My spouse used to get them but I finally convinced them to start using refillable ones, so while every month there's still a little plastic being thrown away, at least it's not an entire chunk with a battery getting tossed every week.

I can't even remember the last time I rode a bike without seeing at least one.

Sadly most of them aren't usable as a battery pack, I really wish I could find the same brand and style consistently but even those sometimes have wildly different cells in them. I need ones that have relatively the same capacity, will hold a charge, and discharge around the same rate.

I think I'm gonna try and make a small rc plane out of one of those Styrofoam kits, I'm sure most of the cells I've scavenge would be enough for a couple minutes of flight. No chance of running a car, but I really want one of those foam jet gliders so I can mount a simple battery and switch, just make it fly in a straight line for a few hundred feet. It'd be neat.

I'm kind of running out of ideas for them since I'm getting so many. I've stopped soldering my jst connectors to them and most are just chilling in small baggies to keep them from shorting.

How do you eat a whale?

False. I let the whale eat me.

Natural selection hasn’t applied to humans for thousands of years

I settle for smaller wins

And that's the crux of the issue. Instead of demanding real solutions, you'll settle for nonsense that accomplishes very little so you can feel like you've won something and don't press the issue further but chastise those that don't jump on the bandwagon with you.

You already addressed what a real solution would look like, but since you think it's impossible to achieve, you've given up and want to condemn anyone who isnt perfectly aligned with you on whatever hill you've chosen to die on.

This is just like paper straws or soda taxes. Stop settling for small wins because that's exactly what the goons running things want you to do

With high explosives on the Oregon coast. And a nice chianti.

Aw man, the glorious days of unlimited free lipo batteries is at an end

Chuckles because I've done that several times now. See one on the ground .. bam new project.

cannabis devices are to be excepted

I think i quoted that right

so i'm a cannabis consumer, not a nicotine consumer. but i have two dispensaries i use. the reasons i chose these two in particular are the same: they're friendly, and they have a prominent [recycle your old batteries/cartridges here] bin. also they're reasonably priced, but if they weren't they'd have gone out of buisness.

if your nicotine juice place doesn't have a recycling bin, maybe ask? it's one of those customer service things they'd add if they knew people wanted one. like, there were cigarette butts all over this one park in town because it didn't have any ashtrays. i put cement in the bottom of a cheap aluminum ash bucket, put it by one of the benches, and now all the smokers smoke at that bench and toss their butts. cost like 50 bucks but the city wasn't going to do it.

smart. from the inside out.

If you refer back to the rest of the sentence, you'll see that I do in fact press the issue further. The trick is to do both. My beef is with those who point to the incremental gains as some kind of evidence that revolutionary change is impossible: not only is that not true, incremental gains are often how revolutionary change happens. People think revolutionary change happens spontaneously in an instant of public fervor because they don't see the building toward it that happens one small policy change at a time. The idea that one has to choose one over the other is false and, in my experience, leads to inaction, frustration, and burnout. You gotta do both.

And what of my "real solution"? Even that is just a small piece of the overall puzzle. If I were to accomplish the goal I set out in that post (a task that I neither think is impossible nor have given up on), would I then be able to rest on my laurels and assume that the planet had been saved forever? No. There would still be much to do to solve the big problem. And big problems are solved one piece at a time.

The goons running things want despair and inaction. They fight the small wins because they know that they are the building blocks to bigger wins.

Meanwhile if you're interested in harvesting batteries and other parts from these things, there are lots of DIY projects to try out.

Example

The fuck? Maybe because of medical users I guess.

I think the warning labels are aimed at the parents of the kids too young to read, not the kids themselves.

i mean, i'd be fine if they made the all-in-one disposable vapes [the battery + the oil] illegal. but yeah, sometimes i have to rely on cartridges [no, edibles aren't an option] and those produce the least smell of the options available to me.

now you've got me wondering how many of those i'd need to wire up a new ebike battery.

Fry: I'm not swallowing that!

Zoidberg: Guess again!

At least one

okay, i'll wire two together and try it. dammit. okay let's try three. i wish there was some kind of math or numbers...

good luck picking the right butthole!

No, that's how they used to do it. The Hatfield Marine Science Center has a new blue whale skeleton.

The thing about a blue whale skeleton is that's not a thing you can just go out and get. You're obviously not going to go hunt one. There aren't blue whales in captivity. If you're a natural history museum and want an elephant skeleton, you can get one from a zoo after the elephant dies of natural causes. Not so much for blue whales. If you want a blue whale skeleton to display, you're just going to have to wait until a blue whale washes up dead on the beach.

I'm not sure if this is documented anywhere online. But if you go to the Hatfield Marine Science Center itself and browse through their exhibits, one documents the process they used to clean the skeleton.

They did it by first carving the whale carcass into big chunks. They then wrapped these in nets and hung them from buoys that suspended the chunks into the water column of Yaquina Bay. Little sea critters could swim through the net and pick away at the rotting whale flesh, while the net prevented bones from being carried away. They effectively did a controlled artificial shallow-water whale fall.

So nowadays, on the Oregon Coast, you eat a whale by letting it be devoured by the small fish and crustaceans of Yaquina Bay.

The US doing sth right was not on my Bingo card for 2026 lol

Fuck yeah. Now un-ban flavored juices and bring back the mech mods. VAPE NEYSH HERE WE GO AGAIN.

The problemis that they are all different so recharging it safely is quite a challange

pfff who needs safety i can ebike AND smoke

do you mean explode? xD

That would be a cool ass project ... Make sure you use a steel box for when it catches fire. I'd totally do it just for fun.