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FirmDistribution lemmy.world FirmDistribution@lemmy.world
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Dr. Wesker lemmy.sdf.org wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
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I noticed these intermittently, but retrying later has seemed to resolve the updates.

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artyom piefed.social artyom@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-06-08
#3 · (edited) Quote Reply

Ah shit, I'm getting the same. Never seen this error before.

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eremophila lemmy.zip eremophila@lemmy.zip
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#4 · Quote Reply

Looks a lot like an issue, more than the reality that the title is suggesting?

click-bait?

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UncleObli lemmy.world UncleOb@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-12-09
#5 · Quote Reply

Misleading title. After reading the linked Gitlab discussion it's more likely a backend change from Google side. Aurora does use burner account but early reports seem to suggest they are not flagged or rate limited.

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PierceTheBubble lemmy.ml PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2026-01-07
#6 · (edited) Quote Reply

It appears Google tries to degrade alternative application stores to just another app offered through the Play Store, and therefore subject to Google's policies (including an annual $5,000 fee for policy and security reviews). So I wouldn't be surprised this is very much intentional: as to force application stores through a channel controlled by Google, to technically allow competition (at Google's discretion) while ultimately killing "side-loading" through other sources.

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NotSteve_ lemmy.ca NotSteve_@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2023-07-16
#7 · Quote Reply

Oh I was wondering why Aurora had stopped working

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artyom piefed.social artyom@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-06-08
#8 · Quote Reply

Misleading title. After reading the linked Gitlab discussion it's more likely a backend change from Google side. Aurora does use burner account but early reports seem to suggest they are not flagged or rate limited.

How is it misleading?

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pineapple lemmy.ml pineapple@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-11-06
#9 · Quote Reply

I might be cooked

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Chewy discuss.tchncs.de Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-07-25
#10 · Quote Reply

How is it misleading?

Google actively blocking Aurora Store would be much worse than them simply changing their backend. The latter can likely be quickly resolved while the former might lead to a cat and mouse game, where it gets increasingly difficult for Aurora Store to continue to work.

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artyom piefed.social artyom@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-06-08
#11 · Quote Reply

Google actively blocking Aurora Store would be much worse than them simply changing their backend. The latter can likely be quickly resolved while the former might lead to a cat and mouse game, where it gets increasingly difficult for Aurora Store to continue to work.

And what makes you think it's the latter and not the former?

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Ripley_Tripley lemmus.org Ripley_Tripley@lemmus.org
Joined: 2026-07-09
#12 · Quote Reply

Well looks like its time to start making alternatives or scream for Linux to come out with a phone.

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Lenny lemdro.id LoonyLenny@lemdro.id
Joined: 2025-08-17
#13 · Quote Reply

Well, I don't Aurora on my Graphene phone anyway.

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Victor lemmy.world victorz@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-11-14
#14 · Quote Reply

And what makes you think it's the latter and not the former?

Is this sealioning? šŸ«“šŸ¦‹

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Sixseven sh.itjust.works Sixseven@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-05-31
#15 · Quote Reply

I just checked and get the same error.

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artyom piefed.social artyom@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-06-08
#16 · (edited) Quote Reply

Is this sealioning? šŸ«“šŸ¦‹

LOL yes, anyone asking you questions you can't answer about the shit you're saying is "sealioning".

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mctoasterson reddthat.com mctoasterson@reddthat.com
Joined: 2023-08-08
#17 · Quote Reply

Just worked for me. So maybe they implemented a workaround.

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partofthevoice lemmy.zip partofthevoice@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-10-26
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Well looks like its time to start making alternatives or scream for Linux to come out with a phone.

I’m out of breath by this point. You want to scream now of all times?

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Eheran lemmy.world Eheran@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-26
#19 · Quote Reply

Well, I don't Aurora on my Graphene phone anyway.

I don't use GrapheneOS anyway so fuck them, right? Why should I care about others when it does not directly impact me?

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RogueBanana piefed.zip RogueBanana@piefed.zip
Joined: 2025-07-17
#20 · Quote Reply

Just worked for me. So maybe they implemented a workaround.

It is not always immediate. I faced the issue only after 2 successful updates. Definitely looks more like rate limiting with minor response change than a block as OP is claiming. Will have to wait and see until someone can properly inspect it.

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Cleisthenian lemmy.ml Cleisthenian@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2026-02-03
#21 · Quote Reply

Seems like clickbait but the graphene devs recommend against aurora store in favor of using a second profile with the sandboxed play store

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Lenny lemdro.id LoonyLenny@lemdro.id
Joined: 2025-08-17
#22 · Quote Reply

I don't use GrapheneOS anyway so fuck them, right? Why should I care about others when it does not directly impact me?

Set yourself up for pain, feel the expireince. We all make choices. Ive prepared.

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ā˜‚ļø- lemmy.ml umbrella@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-07-12
#23 · (edited) Quote Reply

mine is working so far. ab testing the breaking change?

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artyom piefed.social artyom@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-06-08
#24 · Quote Reply

Seems like clickbait but the graphene devs recommend against aurora store in favor of using a second profile with the sandboxed play store

The Play Store requires a Google account. Using a second profile is extremely inconvenient.

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adarza lemmy.ca adarza@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2024-05-29
#25 · (edited) Quote Reply

I noticed these intermittently, but retrying later has seemed to resolve the updates.

all updates were failing to download here.

rebooted the device, and i just tested one update right from the app's details page and that went on ok. will try the others from the update ui later, after the battery gets charged up.

edit to update: broken. updates not coming in, nor are they one-at-a-time from the app pages, either.

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capital5 discuss.tchncs.de capital5@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2026-08-20
#26 · Quote Reply

It appears Google tries to degrade alternative application stores to just another app offered through the Play Store, and therefore subject to Google's policies (including an annual $5,000 fee for policy and security reviews). So I wouldn't be surprised this is very much intentional: as to force application stores through a channel controlled by Google, to technically allow competition (at Goog...

Remember when Microsoft was forced to give a "select your web browser" prompt when setting up a Windows computer?

Quaint times, those were....

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plsnerf7 lemmy.world plsnerf7@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-04
#27 · Quote Reply

Yup can confirm. Some apps return this error (example tutamail and windscribe vpn). Fix it by downloading the apk in fdroid or github/ gitlab directly.

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bruh nord.pub bruh@nord.pub
Joined: 2026-08-13
#28 · Quote Reply

I was wondering cant we just scrape Play Store and distribute the apks on a different website? most apks has checksums so we will know nobody has changes the apk

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NuclearDolphin lemmy.ml NuclearDolphin@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-06-14
#29 · Quote Reply

The Play Store requires a Google account. Using a second profile is extremely inconvenient.

Graphene recommending this at all is extremely sus. My objective of using your operating system is to avoid giving Google any information I possibly can. Don't know why they always recommend using Google shit in a sandbox like those packets aren't still coming from my IP.

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ā˜‚ļø- lemmy.ml umbrella@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-07-12
#30 · (edited) Quote Reply

Set yourself up for pain, feel the expireince. We all make choices. Ive prepared.

congratulations on your study of the blade.

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artyom piefed.social artyom@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-06-08
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Graphene recommending this at all is extremely sus. My objective of using your operating system is to avoid giving Google any information I possibly can. Don't know why they always recommend using Google shit in a sandbox like those packets aren't still coming from my IP.

Its not sus. They're just hyper-aware of security. And Aurora is just not terribly secure. Its just that you're now choosing between privacy and maximum security. And I prioritize privacy, personally.

They pretty much only recommend Accrescent.

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Victor lemmy.world victorz@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-11-14
#32 · Quote Reply

LOL yes, anyone asking you questions you can't answer about the shit you're saying is "sealioning".

The thing is, it's already been answered. The conclusion was made based on reading the gitlab discussion. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø I didn't read that myself but maybe try doing that if you're curious. šŸ˜‰šŸ«¶

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Newhere lemmy.ml Newhere@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2026-08-04
#33 · Quote Reply

Any experience woth Apkpure app? Apk files downloaded straight from them.

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vas lemmy.ml vas@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-08-12
#34 · Quote Reply

I was wondering cant we just scrape Play Store and distribute the apks on a different website? most apks has checksums so we will know nobody has changes the apk

and distribute the apks on a different website

Or with distributed technologoes such as torrents. Then it's cheaper to operate any required servers.

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vas lemmy.ml vas@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-08-12
#35 · Quote Reply

Its not sus. They're just hyper-aware of security. And Aurora is just not terribly secure. Its just that you're now choosing between privacy and maximum security. And I prioritize privacy, personally. They pretty much only recommend Accrescent.

I agree. Specifically, it's privacy AND freedom (free software development model).

If these two are against maximum security, GrapheneOS consistently chooses security. Which is unfortunate for me, because I would consistently choose freedom. (Especially due to long-term considerations.)

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quick_snail feddit.nl quick_snail@feddit.nl
Joined: 2025-07-15
#36 · Quote Reply

It's on fdroid.

I recommend blocking play store.

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quick_snail feddit.nl quick_snail@feddit.nl
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#37 · Quote Reply

I was wondering cant we just scrape Play Store and distribute the apks on a different website? most apks has checksums so we will know nobody has changes the apk

That's insecure

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vas lemmy.ml vas@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-08-12
#38 · Quote Reply

Still blocked. Europe, Wednesday 7 AM.

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artyom piefed.social artyom@piefed.social
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#39 · Quote Reply

The thing is, it's already been answered. The conclusion was made based on reading the gitlab discussion. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø I didn't read that myself but maybe try doing that if you're curious. šŸ˜‰šŸ«¶

The thing is, the conclusion is not going to be in any discussion outside of a Google internal chat or meeting. We know what happened, we don't know why it happened, or what it means.

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Nickelalloy lemmy.world Nickelalloy@lemmy.world
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#40 · Quote Reply

So that is why my Aurora store have been having trouble latley :(

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Harmonics041 feddit.uk Harmonics041@feddit.uk
Joined: 2026-02-12
#41 · Quote Reply

The thing is, the conclusion is not going to be in any discussion outside of a Google internal chat or meeting. We know what happened, we don't know why it happened, or what it means.

Maybe a gorilla in the woods found a Google employees laptop and implemented the change. We will never know unless we go into the jungle.

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ximtor lemmy.zip ximtor@lemmy.zip
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#42 · Quote Reply

Same error here. Fun times coming...

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leduvisc00l lemmy.zip leduvisc00l@lemmy.zip
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#43 · Quote Reply

and distribute the apks on a different website Or with distributed technologoes such as torrents. Then it's cheaper to operate any required servers.

And also if a server goes down there are still dozens of seeders ready to seed you the files

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Tehdastehdas piefed.social Tehdastehdas@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-06-10
#44 · Quote Reply

Well looks like its time to start making alternatives or scream for Linux to come out with a phone.

Linux phones work, but they depend on many Google Android apps to be daily usable by normal people.

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Cleisthenian lemmy.ml Cleisthenian@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2026-02-03
#45 · Quote Reply

I agree. Specifically, it's privacy AND freedom (free software development model). If these two are against maximum security, GrapheneOS consistently chooses security. Which is unfortunate for me, because I would consistently choose freedom. (Especially due to long-term considerations.)

You can disregard their recommendation if you wish, I do sometimes. If they were here, I imagine they'd say they don't see privacy and security as contradicting each other, just that there are different threat models. I think they subscribe to the idea that not everyone is going to be sufficiently informed in order to make a rational judgement, so instead they default to lowering potential risk. They do value accessibility for the tech illiterate as well.

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Ripley_Tripley lemmus.org Ripley_Tripley@lemmus.org
Joined: 2026-07-09
#46 · Quote Reply

Linux phones work, but they depend on many Google Android apps to be daily usable by normal people.

Honestly, at this point we just need alternatives to some of these Google apps in general.

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Handles leminal.space halm@leminal.space
Joined: 2023-10-30
#47 · Quote Reply

Classic Graphene users, making this all about themselves. This hurts Aurora users, period.

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Handles leminal.space halm@leminal.space
Joined: 2023-10-30
#48 · Quote Reply

Classic Graphene users, making this all about themselves. This hurts Aurora users, period.

Classic Graphene users, making this all about themselves. This hurts Aurora users, period.

Edit: I ran into the same issue. For now, refreshing the anonymous Aurora account solved it.

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fibojoly sh.itjust.works fibojoly@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-15
#49 · (edited) Quote Reply

Any experience woth Apkpure app? Apk files downloaded straight from them.

I used APKPure for a good two years without much issue. Just felt very scammy with all the ads and it felt complicated because I was never sure which version to pick.
Switched to Aurora (recommended officially by Huawei) and haven't had a single issue ever since. Can even download beta versions now.

I'm not having any issues today either, kinda wondering what's going on to be honest.

P.S. Still using Apkpure for Roblox / Fortnite / Brawlstars (can't remember which) on the tablet, for the kids, and that's pretty much it.

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ExLisper lemmy.curiana.net ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
Joined: 2025-03-22
#50 · Quote Reply

Well looks like its time to start making alternatives or scream for Linux to come out with a phone.

What alternative are you going to make? My bank only publishes their app on Play Store. I can either use Play Store app or Aurora to install it. You think that if you build alternative, open source store my bank will publish their app there? You think any bank will? F-Droid already exists, do you see any banks publishing their apps there? Do you see any of them dong Linux version of their apps?

The alternative here would be some other corporation building independent app store and getting everyone to publish their apps there. Amazon tried that many years ago. Maybe Samsung could do it now. It's definitely not something we can make.

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BlackLaZoR lemmy.world BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-02-26
#51 · Quote Reply

Time to install it. They wouldn't block it if it sucked right?

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