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velma
sh.itjust.works
velma@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2026-05-07 |
Until very recently, Karyann Parkinson lived in leafy Williamsburg, Virginia. She and her husband, Dallin, moved there from Utah so Parkinson could attend William and Mary Law School. In June, when Parkinson was preparing for the bar—and also happened to be eight months pregnant with her fifth child—she and her then-youngest, Sam, went for a bike ride, as they often do. They stopped for her son's favorite activity: collecting goose feathers from the path near their community pond. When they got home, he asked if he could walk back and get some more. Parkinson said yes. It's a short walk, along a sidewalk separated from the street by 10 feet of grass. Sam would have to cross two streets with crosswalks, which she'd seen him do safely hundreds of times—including six times that morning, she says. Off he went while she made lunch. A passerby saw Sam and alerted security. One of the community's security guards escorted the boy back and gave Parkinson an earful. Pretty soon there were three cop cars, just as many cops, a security vehicle, and two Child Protective Services (CPS) workers at Parkinson's door. CPS ended up investigating her for abuse and neglect. The cops, meanwhile, charged her with contributing to the delinquency of a minor. CPS found the allegations substantiated and placed Parkinson on the state's child abuse and neglect registry. She will remain there for seven years. |
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red_bull_of_juarez
lemmy.dbzer0.com
red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-02-05 |
We have become much dumber in the quest to make life for children safer. I grew up in a city with 1.5M people. When I was six, I was driving around alone on my bike, visiting playgrounds and friends. What the mum did was perfectly reasonable and the response was insane. |
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velma
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velma@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2026-05-07 |
We have become much dumber in the quest to make life for children safer. I grew up in a city with 1.5M people. When I was six, I was driving around alone on my bike, visiting playgrounds and friends. What the mum did was perfectly reasonable and the response was insane.
And people act all confused as to why children don't play outside as often. Because people call the fucking cops on mothers. |
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Fredselfish
sh.itjust.works
Fredselfish@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2026-08-07 |
This so fucking dumb! She did nothing wrong and bullshit. Makes me so angry. Growing up being able to go wherever and raising my kids this way. Bullshit they now traumatized that child and now this woman will always have CPS on her ass for life. Keep in mind once they are on you they never truly go away. |
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cheers_queers
lemmy.zip
cheers_queers@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-04 |
while i do think the response was overkill, i dont think a five year old should be unsupervised around bodies of water. it takes 5 minutes to drown, and accidents happen. |
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velma
Moderator
velma@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2026-05-07 |
while i do think the response was overkill, i dont think a five year old should be unsupervised around bodies of water. it takes 5 minutes to drown, and accidents happen.
Sure but that's the level of risk this mother was comfortable with for her son in this situation. Each child is different and some you can trust more than others. |
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5ibelius9insterberg
feddit.org
5ibelius9insterberg@feddit.orgJoined: 2024-07-22 |
This so fucking dumb! She did nothing wrong and bullshit. Makes me so angry. Growing up being able to go wherever and raising my kids this way. Bullshit they now traumatized that child and now this woman will always have CPS on her ass for life. Keep in mind once they are on you they never truly go away.
Allowing a five year old to walk a few hundred meters inside a gated community where he knows his way around is fine. Allowing a five year old to be unsupervised in the vicinity of any body of water is at least questionable. |
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velma
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velma@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2026-05-07 |
Allowing a five year old to walk a few hundred meters inside a gated community where he knows his way around is fine. Allowing a five year old to be unsupervised in the vicinity of any body of water is at least questionable.
It wasn't drowning that the authorities here were using as concerns. |
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schipelblorp
sh.itjust.works
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2026-05-16 |
Would this be unusual or even news if this wasn't a white child and mother? |
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blitzen
lemmy.ca
blitzen@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-10 |
Sure but that's the level of risk this mother was comfortable with for her son in this situation. Each child is different and some you can trust more than others.
At some point it becomes less about her risk tolerance and more about what we (society) deem too risky. I don’t think it’s appropriate to let a five year old around a body of water unsupervised. Now, it seems like what she was charged with had nothing to do with that, and obscenely charging her for letting him walk a short distance unsupervised was overkill and I don’t support it. But a consequence of letting him around a pond unsupervised was warranted. |
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velma
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velma@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2026-05-07 |
At some point it becomes less about her risk tolerance and more about what we (society) deem too risky. I don’t think it’s appropriate to let a five year old around a body of water unsupervised. Now, it seems like what she was charged with had nothing to do with that, and obscenely charging her for letting him walk a short distance unsupervised was overkill and I don’t support it. But a consequ...
Virginia has a Reasonable Childhood Independence law
It seems that traveling to or from nearby locations by bicycle or on foot is clearly defined as not negligent. |
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red_bull_of_juarez
lemmy.dbzer0.com
red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-02-05 |
And people act all confused as to why children don't play outside as often. Because people call the fucking cops on mothers.
A few years ago there was a huge outcry because a mother let her 8 year old son ride the NYC subway alone. So crazy. |
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blitzen
lemmy.ca
blitzen@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-10 |
Virginia has a Reasonable Childhood Independence law The child welfare law defines physical neglect as including lack of supervision. Va. Code Ann. § 18.2-371.1; Va. Code Ann. § 63.2-100 except that, through adoption of SB 1367 clearly now spells out, through an amendment to 63.2-100 that “ No child whose parent or other person responsible for his care allows the child to engage in independent ...
I like how “reasonable” is in the name of the law, and I think that walking to and from a park is reasonable. It’s the part about there being a pond that’s less-so. |
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velma
Moderator
velma@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2026-05-07 |
I like how “reasonable” is in the name of the law, and I think that walking to and from a park is reasonable. It’s the part about there being a pond that’s less-so.
Again, it comes down to how mature the child is and who do you think is the most qualified person to determine how mature a child is for handling a walk on their own? |
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wolfeh
lemmy.blahaj.zone
wolfeh@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2025-01-19 |
The same people calling the cops in these situations also tend to be the ones saying "wHy DoN't KiDs PlAy OuTsIdE aNyMoRe!!!!1!" as if it's the kids' own moral failing. |
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5ibelius9insterberg
feddit.org
5ibelius9insterberg@feddit.orgJoined: 2024-07-22 |
When the security guard brought Sam back to Parkinson's house, he told the boy that his mom had done something she wasn't supposed to, and that bad people would want to take him if he was out alone. "This scared the crap out of him," Parkinson says now. It wasn't drowning that the authorities here were using as concerns.
I didn’t say the reaction by the authorities is in any way justified. (I get that my post look a bit like I am) |
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velma
Moderator
velma@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2026-05-07 |
I didn’t say the reaction by the authorities is in any way justified. (I get that my post look a bit like I am)
I didn't say you were justifying it. I was pointing out that drowning wasn't a concern for the authorities in this case. |
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wolfeh
lemmy.blahaj.zone
wolfeh@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2025-01-19 |
At some point it becomes less about her risk tolerance and more about what we (society) deem too risky. I don’t think it’s appropriate to let a five year old around a body of water unsupervised. Now, it seems like what she was charged with had nothing to do with that, and obscenely charging her for letting him walk a short distance unsupervised was overkill and I don’t support it. But a consequ...
You understand that kids are different from each other and some develop skills earlier than others, right? |
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blitzen
lemmy.ca
blitzen@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-10 |
Again, it comes down to how mature the child is and who do you think is the most qualified person to determine how mature a child is for handling a walk on their own?
I think you’re missing my point. It’s not the walk I object to, it’s the lake. |
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velma
Moderator
velma@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2026-05-07 |
I think you’re missing my point. It’s not the walk I object to, it’s the lake.
And you're missing my point. This mother felt comfortable with her son walking back to pick up goose feathers. Why do you think you know better about what this boy can handle than his own mother? |
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Jesusaurus
lemmy.world
Jesusaurus@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
Would this be unusual or even news if this wasn't a white child and mother?
No because the kid and mother would be picked up by ICE |
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cheers_queers
lemmy.zip
cheers_queers@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-04 |
You understand that kids are different from each other and some develop skills earlier than others, right?
there are laws around private pool ownership like fencing it in, BECAUSE young children are at heightened risk of drowning. 5 year olds are NOT capable of being around bodies of water safely without adult supervision. i dont know why this is so controversial. kids drown every day, especially kids this young who have very little common sense or sense of danger. |
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cheers_queers
lemmy.zip
cheers_queers@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-04 |
And you're missing my point. This mother felt comfortable with her son walking back to pick up goose feathers. Why do you think you know better about what this boy can handle than his own mother?
some parents are comfortable with exposing their child to drugs, too. i dont think thats a metric you should rely on. |
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velma
Moderator
velma@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2026-05-07 |
some parents are comfortable with exposing their child to drugs, too. i dont think thats a metric you should rely on.
Wow, you escalated this from a boy taking a walk in his own neighborhood to being exposed to drugs. Clutch your pearls harder, why don't you? |
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Wren
Moderator
Wren@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-11-04 |
there are laws around private pool ownership like fencing it in, BECAUSE young children are at heightened risk of drowning. 5 year olds are NOT capable of being around bodies of water safely without adult supervision. i dont know why this is so controversial. kids drown every day, especially kids this young who have very little common sense or sense of danger.
I'm from an island and my mother was a lifeguard, I could swim as soon as I could walk. My mom got shit for not watching me at the community pool after we moved to the mainland. Meanwhile back home tourists would let their kids play in the ocean with no concept of a rip tide. But hey, at least they were watching them real close, right? It's controversial because every child and situation is different. Parents shouldn't be punished for taking necessary risks to help their kids achieve independence just because society gets anxious. It's controversial because society is especially critical of mothers. |
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cheers_queers
lemmy.zip
cheers_queers@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-04 |
Wow, you escalated this from a boy taking a walk in his own neighborhood to being exposed to drugs. Clutch your pearls harder, why don't you?
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velma
Moderator
velma@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2026-05-07 |
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I'm sorry for what you've had to deal with, but this is not what we're talking about here. THIS mom did not shoot a dog in front of her child, THIS mom did not rape her son, THIS mom isn't pushing drugs on her kids.
This is rude as fuck. |
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cheers_queers
lemmy.zip
cheers_queers@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-04 |
I'm sorry for what you've had to deal with, but this is not what we're talking about here. THIS mom did not shoot a dog in front of her child, THIS mom did not rape her son, THIS mom isn't pushing drugs on her kids. also i hope you dont have a child, it sounds like you’d let them hang out near ponds without supervision, which is wildly irresponsible at best. This is rude as fuck.
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velma
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velma@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2026-05-07 |
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You're crossing the line. |
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cheers_queers
lemmy.zip
cheers_queers@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-04 |
You're crossing the line.
no, i believe you are arguing in bad faith, on the side of parental neglect. if you had read my original comment, i said i didnt think she should have gotten this response from letting her kid walk the neighborhood. i had a specific issue with letting him be unsupervised near a pond. first your argument was that parents should let their kids walk the neighborhoods. when i pointed out that that's not the real issue, you say parents know whats best for their kids. when i supplied evidence to the contrary, you brought it around to walking the neighborhood again. are...are you okay? |
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cheers_queers
lemmy.zip
cheers_queers@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-04 |
I didn't say you were justifying it. I was pointing out that drowning wasn't a concern for the authorities in this case.
it should have been their ONLY concern |
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cheers_queers
lemmy.zip
cheers_queers@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-04 |
CDC drowning data of children since mods decided to remove my comments arguing against letting children walk around ponds without supervision. smh. |
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cheers_queers
lemmy.zip
cheers_queers@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-04 |
I'm from an island and my mother was a lifeguard, I could swim as soon as I could walk. My mom got shit for not watching me at the community pool after we moved to the mainland. Meanwhile back home tourists would let their kids play in the ocean with no concept of a rip tide. But hey, at least they were watching them real close, right? It's controversial because every child and situation is dif...
it is a good thing that the community was looking out for your safety. it doesnt matter how well you can swim, if you slip and hit your head, your ability to swim becomes meaningless. children do dumb stuff all the time, there are reasons for the concern |
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imapuppetlookaway
lemmy.world
imapuppetlookaway@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-17 |
It's all about control. Anyone with even a scrap of dubious authority wants to control people, and everybody up the ladder piles on to whichever victim is found. |
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MalReynolds
slrpnk.net
MalReynolds@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-06-25 |
And people act all confused as to why children don't play outside as often. Because people call the fucking cops on mothers.
And cars like tanks and car centered environments. |
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velma
Moderator
velma@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2026-05-07 |
no, i believe you are arguing in bad faith, on the side of parental neglect. if you had read my original comment, i said i didnt think she should have gotten this response from letting her kid walk the neighborhood. i had a specific issue with letting him be unsupervised near a pond. first your argument was that parents should let their kids walk the neighborhoods. when i pointed out that that'...
We're talking about a specific case here and you've already devolved into calling me a jackass and hoping I didn't have kids. Are you okay? |
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Wren
Moderator
Wren@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-11-04 |
it is a good thing that the community was looking out for your safety. it doesnt matter how well you can swim, if you slip and hit your head, your ability to swim becomes meaningless. children do dumb stuff all the time, there are reasons for the concern
Yes, anything can happen at any time. I could trip and hit my head anywhere, still. I could have a stroke. I could have gotten hit by a car on my way to school, which is the far more likely thing. Sooner or later you gotta be comfortable with leaving the nest, and an anxious society raises anxious children who can't function as adults. |
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Catoblepas
lemmy.blahaj.zone
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2023-06-13 |
A few years ago there was a huge outcry because a mother let her 8 year old son ride the NYC subway alone. So crazy.
When I lived in NYC about 15 years ago I saw kids that young riding the subway alone to school all the time! It’s not like they’re walking down an unlit alley at night, for god’s sake. |
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blitzen
lemmy.ca
blitzen@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-10 |
And you're missing my point. This mother felt comfortable with her son walking back to pick up goose feathers. Why do you think you know better about what this boy can handle than his own mother?
Why do you keep ignoring the part about the drowning threat? That's the only thing I object to. The walk by itself I take no issue with. I'm not missing your point; I agree with you that parents should have latitude- perhaps even wide latitude- in determining what's best. But we (society) also recognize there's a limit to that. We ensure children receive enough nutrition and health care to keep them healthy and alive, regardless of the parents opinions. Parents can't opt out of education, or of child safety seats in cars. Parents get a lot of say, but there's a certain threshold we make sure they meet. Keeping an unsupervised five year old away from a body of water is above that line. There's not a five year old alive who's safe next to a body of water unsupervised. |
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dream_weasel
sh.itjust.works
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-30 |
Sure but that's the level of risk this mother was comfortable with for her son in this situation. Each child is different and some you can trust more than others.
She also has 4 spares! |
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cheers_queers
lemmy.zip
cheers_queers@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-04 |
Yes, anything can happen at any time. I could trip and hit my head anywhere, still. I could have a stroke. I could have gotten hit by a car on my way to school, which is the far more likely thing. Sooner or later you gotta be comfortable with leaving the nest, and an anxious society raises anxious children who can't function as adults.
correct, but in those situations you arent at risk of slipping under the water while unconscious. we are talking about mitigating risks to children, not eliminating them. don't forget we are talking about a child who is barely out of toddlerhood. |
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Wren
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Wren@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-11-04 |
correct, but in those situations you arent at risk of slipping under the water while unconscious. we are talking about mitigating risks to children, not eliminating them. don't forget we are talking about a child who is barely out of toddlerhood.
I guess you know better than a mother from an island who was a literal lifeguard, hey? You could read the article to find out about this woman's credentials as well. If you still think you know better than both, then you have a very odd fixation with water. Or, an unfair opinion of your own child-rearing skills over others. |
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velma
Moderator
velma@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2026-05-07 |
correct, but in those situations you arent at risk of slipping under the water while unconscious. we are talking about mitigating risks to children, not eliminating them. don't forget we are talking about a child who is barely out of toddlerhood.
2 years is barely out of toddlerhood? Do you have children? |
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velma
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velma@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2026-05-07 |
Why do you keep ignoring the part about the drowning threat? That's the only thing I object to. The walk by itself I take no issue with. I'm not missing your point; I agree with you that parents should have latitude- perhaps even wide latitude- in determining what's best. But we (society) also recognize there's a limit to that. We ensure children receive enough nutrition and health care to keep...
I think you've made a lot of assumptions about how close that pond was and you're ignoring that the pond wasn't a stated factor at all in this case. For the record, I agree with you about water safety wholeheartedly. I live in an area with a lot of water and a lot of accidental deaths due to that. It's tragic. This five year old was fine by the pond. This mother was unfairly prosecuted. That's all I'm saying with this post. |
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Wren
Moderator
Wren@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-11-04 |
CDC drowning data of children since mods decided to remove my comments arguing against letting children walk around ponds without supervision. smh.
What are you talking about? I haven't moderated anything in this thread. Edit: Well now I am because you called someone a jackass. Enjoy your temp ban. |
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blitzen
lemmy.ca
blitzen@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-10 |
I think you've made a lot of assumptions about how close that pond was and you're ignoring that the pond wasn't a stated factor at all in this case. For the record, I agree with you about water safety wholeheartedly. I live in an area with a lot of water and a lot of accidental deaths due to that. It's tragic. This five year old was fine by the pond. This mother was unfairly prosecuted. That's ...
You’re right, I’m making an assumption about the proximity of the pond. But because the story states it’s “near the community pond” and that it’s close enough to have goose feathers, I’m comfortable with that assumption.
Those two statements do not reconcile. An unsupervised five year old is NOT EVER “fine” near a body of water. |
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velma
Moderator
velma@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2026-05-07 |
You’re right, I’m making an assumption about the proximity of the pond. But because the story states it’s “near the community pond” and that it’s close enough to have goose feathers, I’m comfortable with that assumption. a lot of accidental deaths due to that. It's tragic. This five year old was fine by the pond. Those two statements do not reconcile. An unsupervised five year old is NOT EVER “...
The statement that this five year old was fine by that pond is referencing this specific instance. The kid was fine. |
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blitzen
lemmy.ca
blitzen@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-10 |
The statement that this five year old was fine by that pond is referencing this specific instance. The kid was fine.
Was this a five year old Kal-El and this was Smallville? Was this child incapable of drowning? Yes, this kid was fine. Maybe he is fine because busy body security guard intervened before he chased a goose into the pond. We’ll never know, which is why the mother is charged with negligence and not something more serious. I hear what you’re saying that there are too many busy bodies out there being nosy and not letting kids be kids and parents be parents. I agree with that statement. This isn’t a good example of that. |
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BeBopALouie
lemmy.ca
Bebopalouie@lemmy.caJoined: 2025-03-10 |
Allowing a five year old to walk a few hundred meters inside a gated community where he knows his way around is fine. Allowing a five year old to be unsupervised in the vicinity of any body of water is at least questionable.
Back in the day a friend and I would take off across the golf course we lived off of. We were around 7 years old. A massive golf course (St George’s). We would walk for kilometers in any direction we found fun. 5 or 6 hours later we had no idea where we were and would knock on a door to any house around and asked to use their phone. Would call mom, gave her the address and she would pick us up. We did this for a few years. It may be anecdotal but we were physically and mentally capable enough at that age to get around some fair distances, not get into trouble and not cause trouble. |
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Crackhappy
lemmy.world
Crackhappy@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-09 |
My kids, up until 2019, had to walk or bike their way to school every day. Sometimes up to 10 miles. If they had trouble they could use their flip phones to call me. |
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Elting
piefed.social
Elting@piefed.social Joined: 2025-11-18 |
How is a kid ever supposed to grow and learn and gain confidence to navigate the world when their community is so anxious they wont even let you cross the street. If anxiety becomes the principal guiding emotion for raising children, we are going to produce adults with terrible anxiety disorders who never learned to embrace complexity or uncertainty. |
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