If a woman had made an identical comment about a dude posting with/without makeup photos it wouldn't have drawn any ire.

It wasn't objectification. He never insinuated that her looks were all that mattered, or that she wasn't a unique snowflake of a person - he simply mentioned his own preference about makeup.

For the uninformed: this is a direct response to a post saying that obtaining sex by deception is sexual assault. Which, y'know, it is.

No, makeup doesnt fucking count you unmitigated arsehole.

he simply mentioned his own preference about makeup.

He mentioned his own preference about the woman pictured in the meme.

If a woman had made an identical comment about a dude posting with/without makeup photos it wouldn’t have drawn any ire.

It should draw ire.

exploit people with it.

Like paying $15k and expecting a woman to be your sex toy?

This sums up my opinion of the manosphere...

It's not a take. It's literally history. ☝🏼

Know what else tastes like butter & lemon when it's drenched in it?

Yeah. Pretty much everything. 🤢

So she looks great without makeup, what's the problem?

You do realise you're not winning 'good man' points by saying stuff like this, right? You're literally just adding to the misogyny here by further objectifying women.

I don't know "those spaces," but that seems like trolling to me.

Very few people in this thread are capable of understanding that offering judgment on this woman’s appearance is still objectifying her.

I am getting so tired of the internet lately. I appreciate seeing you around but idk how you still have the will to talk to any of these people, the toxicity of these men is starting to feel like I'm stewing in poison.

Speaking up when I see casual sexism like this helps heal the years of my life when I was taught to be quiet and allow “boys to be boys”.

It’s really understandable how people get sick of seeing this type of toxicity. I hope your day has more good, funny, quirky, weird, and fun things pop up instead of gestures at this thread

Butthurt men, apparently.

My fucking god rage bait travels at light speed.

Females

Whoever's addressing women like that is clearly ragebaiting. Stop giving these morons attention. This is not content meant for manosphere, it's meant to ragebait all young women. If this makes your blood boil you are the freaking target audience. Stop playing in their games.

I thought it was a funny sentence.

My bad I didn't see the community. This one was making rounds on every social media platform and it got really infuriating. But yeah perfect fit for this community lol.

oh ... sex toy? you exploit people? is that how you treat women? or did you want me to give her nothing? and how old do think she is? what is her profession? do you think all escorts or sex workers are bad people? why is this lady in particular agreed to do such arrangment? did I degrade her? how is managing her life? am I in a relationship cheating? is she in relation? does she have kids? do I have kids? does she have a job? why did I give her $15k on top of all travel expenses and treated her well and thanked her and left without asking for a penny back if I only spent 1 night when the arragment was almost for a week? how did I withdraw myself did I insult her face and leave, or what? was she into me at all? who put this consual arrangment in first place? what was your communication beforehand and afterward? does she do this with other men? how much does she charge? what did we do together and did I treat her like a sex toy like you said or even expected such thing? did I force myself on her?

I want to see you try to guess and answer to every question I put up. You see, you can assume 1 million stupid thing and make your own narrative.

You will realize how easily wrong you can be. I don't have to prove to you anything, and you don't have to assume the worst out of people. Same applies to you btw. Even if you tell me about your life, age, relationships, I cannot assume things to start comparing you to my worst conceptions, or reflecting the worst image into your life to assume who you are. Just stop. Or really answer these questions I put up and give me a good laugh

You left as soon as she exhibited agency by washing her makeup off.

I support sex workers. I don’t support people who use them as objects.

All good. We don't need to rage, we can laugh, too.

you did the same mistake again. why not answer my questions for me to know what narrative you came up with? .. I dont want to know, but I'm explaining to you why you should not assume the worst image and conception about a narrative you know nothing about. If you tried to guess and answer the questions I asked, they will most likely be wrong. And that's my point. If you don't believe me, go ahead and try ..

i paid a “model” $15k to travel and see me for few days+tickets+hotel#s+gifts++ all in her bank already. first day I was shocked when she cleaned her face. I kept looking and could not fuckin believe it was the same person had I not seen her wash her face in front of me… the 2nd day I left.

You gave me all the information I needed, thanks.

I specified a straight woman. As far as women in relationships, etc, as a man, I've noticed people of all sorts being MUCH nicer to me when I was ideal weight vs. overweight. So it actually has advantages to be attractive even if you're not actually trying to attract people. You get treated better in many situations.

from my personal experience

Yes, exactly.

I'm telling you as a matter of fact that I know people who felt awkward saying "woman" because of the age factor.

These guys aren't incels by any means, they're just awkward and naive.

For what it's worth I did tell them that "female" is not a good look, and they should use "women" instead.

The point is not every guy who says "female" is dehumanising them.

If you're saying she looks better without, yea, I agree

No not all. You did not and could not answer the questions because if you did, you will not reach to the stupid sex toy conclusion you said. Try it yourself and let me laugh at you as you prove yourself wrong by yourself. Go ahead I want to see you do it. Dont back out now

Calling a woman a “bitch” isn’t helping your case here.

Not sure how well that would match the definition of trolling, but the template usually is:

Side A: Says something that people call correct.
Side B: Says something that people call absurd, but then realise how that correlates to what Side A previously said. This make people realise the absurdity of what Side A said.

This template has quite a few similarities to little witty fable-like stories that were available in children's books, which ended up helping children develop some level of critical thinking while also being entertaining.

Continue reading for an example story that might not be fun to read, because I am not a very good writer...

The king was once walking around his kingdom's streets when he overheard a drunk guy boasting off how he can stay neck-deep in lake water the whole night in winter.
The next day, the guy was summoned to court and offered treasure on the condition that he would do the same.
The guy went to the said lake and stayed there the whole night and came back the next day to receive his reward.

When the king asked, how he managed the feat, the guy said that he looked at the burning lamps in the temple on the other side of the lake and got heat from it all night.
The king then went on saying that the guy had cheated and proceeded to not give the treasure.

A few days later, the court jester invited the king to dinner at his house. When the king arrived, the jester said that the food was not ready yet and would take some while.
After a few hours of waiting the king went into the kitchen to find the jester. The jester had hung the pot off of a high tree branch in the backyard and had a bonfire under the tree.

Looking at the vertical distance between the pot and the fire, the king had the obvious response of telling the jester how it would be impossible to cook the food with that method, to which the jester responded by saying that it should be possible considering how the guy in the winter lake managed to get heat from a temple 100s of metres away.

I greatly prefer her WITHOUT the make-up. I would talk to the girl on the right, I wouldn't bother with the one on the left.

So what about a guy with a sock stuffed in his pants? If a woman has sex with that guy, and his dick isn't as big as he advertised, is that sexual assault?

Not that I could be bothered but apart from the advice being unsolicited, what's wrong with it?

What's wrong with offering an unsolicited positive opinion about someone's looks?

With or without makeup she still isn't going to fuck you, Jeremy.

It’s still objectification.

Y’all are sitting around and talking about how she should present herself to be the most attractive to you.

i mean the makeup sucks, frankly. I don't understand why it has become normal to dip your head in a bucket of concealer..
Feels like the equivalent of guys who think more muscle == more betterer until they just look like balloon animals.

It's not to look attractive, it is so you can have fun looking the way you want. That goes for both situations. A side consequence is if you focus on looking how you want, you will attract people who like you the way you look when you feel your best.

No, we're just offering our opinion. She doesn't need to follow it. It's not her job to look better for me.

This is a really interesting response.