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Daftydux
lemmy.dbzer0.com
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schipelblorp
sh.itjust.works
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2026-05-16 |
Yup. So you think God and Heaven are naturally quite important so you go to school to specialize in Bible study, and there you learn the Bible is crazy contradictory patchwork written by men serving the needs of their society at the time and that's all religion ever is, so then you start thinking about how you're going to make a living and you might decide to leave the church, or you may decide you like the cushy life and don´t mind lying to people every Sunday who are asking you to lie to them, who are paying you to lie to them. |
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Yew
lemmy.world
Yew@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-08-26 |
Everything hinges on an if? |
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Rhynoplaz
lemmy.world
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-07 |
Everything hinges on an if?
Well, every theoretical discussion falls apart if you just cast aside the assumptions of the scenario. "If humans could fly, would more of us live in trees?" "If?!? I'm not building a treehouse based on if!!!" |
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[object Object]
lemmy.ca
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-07-20 |
God created the integers, everything else is the work of man* *Except infinity, which Good invented to punish those who don’t understand math, and reward those who do |
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bryndos
fedia.io
bryndos@fedia.io Joined: 2025-07-28 |
The sun is important, but I'm not sure how much we need to understand it. |
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vrek
programming.dev
vrek@programming.dev Joined: 2023-06-20 |
The sun is important, but I'm not sure how much we need to understand it. You do need to eat the food that it ultimately provides though. Understanding the food chain is useful but plenty of humans can persist and breed successfully - at least in the short term - with little more than a rudimentary understanding of a very small part of it.
It's not hard to learn... https://youtu.be/3JdWlSF195Y |
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Botzo
lemmy.world
Botzo@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
Everything hinges on an if?
OP made it to the mid 1600s in philosophy. |
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Mardukas
lemmy.world
Mardukas@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-03 |
Everything hinges on an if?
"If A is true, everything hinges on B" does not imply that everything, independent of A or not, hinges on B. |
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SnoopSqueak
lemmy.today
SnoopSqueak@lemmy.todayJoined: 2026-07-09 |
And if heaven is not real, we should focus on the lives we are living. Any religion that claims a happy afterlife exists is a death cult. "Your baby is in heaven now! Why aren't you happy?" |
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altphoto
lemmy.today
altphoto@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-04-14 |
Can we do penis enlargement first? Asking for a friend. |
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Maeve
kbin.earth
Maeve@kbin.earthJoined: 2024-06-16 |
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 17%3A20-21&version=OJB 20 Now having been asked by the Perushim, Ad mosai? (How much longer?) When comes the Malchut Hashem? Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach replied, The Malchut Hashem is not coming with things observable, 21 nor will they say, Hinei, here it is, or There it is, for hinei, the Malchut Hashem is within you. |
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Melobol
lemmy.ml
Melobol@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-06-24 |
If heaven is real, we will have bigger problems than infinity. |
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mycodesucks
lemmy.world
mycodesucks@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-03-08 |
If existence is infinite there is no difference whatsoever between heaven and hell. The idea of "happiness forever" is a 4 year old child's conception of something desirable, and shows absolutely no awareness of what it means to exist. And before someone starts in with the "You'll be altered so that heaven will be perfect forever", you've destroyed any meaning of it - if you're going to be made to enjoy it, you could just as easily be made to enjoy hell. The whole concept is stupid. Heaven is the desperate hope of the tired who don't need eternal bliss - they need a break and a chance to actually live. |
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Strider
lemmy.world
Strider@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-09 |
If heaven is real, we will have bigger problems than infinity.
The funny thing is, as an atheist trying to live a reasonable life I see far less issues for me than a lot of so called religious people. |
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theneverfox
pawb.social
theneverfox@pawb.socialJoined: 2023-06-29 |
If existence is infinite there is no difference whatsoever between heaven and hell. The idea of "happiness forever" is a 4 year old child's conception of something desirable, and shows absolutely no awareness of what it means to exist. And before someone starts in with the "You'll be altered so that heaven will be perfect forever", you've destroyed any meaning of it - if you're going to be made...
People just don't understand heaven. It's not infinite time, it's eternity - without time The way I see it, heaven would be a nice home, a place of reunions and rest. But what is the point of being unchanging? Also, what does it mean to bask in God's light? How can that equally happen in a place outside of time, but also is possible on Earth? I think the whole concept has been completely warped from what Jesus actually said Christianity went to some weird places when Constantine merged it with the Roman religion. The common interpretation makes no sense |
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surewhynotlem
lemmy.world
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-13 |
If existence is infinite there is no difference whatsoever between heaven and hell. The idea of "happiness forever" is a 4 year old child's conception of something desirable, and shows absolutely no awareness of what it means to exist. And before someone starts in with the "You'll be altered so that heaven will be perfect forever", you've destroyed any meaning of it - if you're going to be made...
You just lack imagination. Heaven is two goth girlfriends who alternate between loving you and ignoring you. Occasionally they step on you. Won't find that in any philosophy book because philosophers are prudes. |
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schipelblorp
sh.itjust.works
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2026-05-16 |
People just don't understand heaven. It's not infinite time, it's eternity - without time The way I see it, heaven would be a nice home, a place of reunions and rest. But what is the point of being unchanging? Also, what does it mean to bask in God's light? How can that equally happen in a place outside of time, but also is possible on Earth? I think the whole concept has been completely warped...
Jesus made it sound like a pleasant vacation, a banquet, a feast. The problem is that heaven collapses under the weight of eternity if you think about it (as you are doing). I don't think it's some kind of corruption or "going to a weird place" to reconcile the idea of an placid idyll with eternity; it's just a place things naturally go when you consider the implications. |
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BitchPeas
lemmy.world
BitchPeas@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-04-11 |
Its wild to me people dont understand heaven and hell is an allegory for perspective. |
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SnoopSqueak
lemmy.today
SnoopSqueak@lemmy.todayJoined: 2026-07-09 |
People just don't understand heaven. It's not infinite time, it's eternity - without time The way I see it, heaven would be a nice home, a place of reunions and rest. But what is the point of being unchanging? Also, what does it mean to bask in God's light? How can that equally happen in a place outside of time, but also is possible on Earth? I think the whole concept has been completely warped...
Without time, nothing can occur. Let's see what Jesus said about heaven in Matthew 13:
It's a metaphor where believers are the wheat and nonbelievers are the weeds. Both are allowed to grow, but only the wheat goes back to the farmer. Later in the chapter, Jesus explains it explicitly:
He tells a similar parable with fish instead of crops:
Christian "love" hinges on threat of eternal punishment. Then there are parables he doesn't explain:
In Matthew 6, he emphasizes that you'll have eternal treasures in heaven:
Sounds materialistic. Jesus gets way too much credit. He said some stupid, deadly bullshit. He was a liar and a hypocrite. |
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TrippinMallard
lemmy.ml
TrippinMallard@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-02-18 |
What type of infinity? Aren't there like 5 classes of infinity? |
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Nefara
lemmy.world
Nefara@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-01 |
If Narnia is real, the most important thing for all people is owning a wardrobe and keeping the hinges on it. |
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