"That's sad"

They should go to bathroom with doors open from now. Comfort of privacy is meaningless if they got nothing to hide, right?

Meta are harvesting your friends data that you have, contacts, birthdays, addresses etc. Using these platforms means that you are probably sharing friends data without their consent just because you don’t care about your own.

Anyway that’s how I would put it to them.

"So why do you wear clothes or don't share your credit card details online?"

you're the one talking about it to people and getting mad

what do you say?

I saw someone on YouTube respond with "give me your phone and let me go into the other room for an hour"

Yep, that is a perfect response. Different jurisdictions have different rules and ethics; having your pants down vs being anon is the difference between easily becoming a criminal upon your arrival and them just knowing the stuff they need to know.

…for now.

What happens if they outlaw being gay, trans, communist, Jewish, Muslim, autistic…

They don't think they have anything to hide because they think of it as "evil activity"

Reframe it, like sure you are not doing anything bad but these companies don't care about criminal or evil behaviour. For them you are like livestock you only serve one purpose: making them money, there are no morals involved. They would sell your data to absolutely anyone for any reason!
YOU can't think of anything bad they could do with your data because YOU are not evil but THEY absolutely are. If an evil person wants your data you shouldn't give it to them because they WILL find a way to use it against us, its a law of nature just like gravity.

Next time just open their banking app and start transfering money to your account, let's see how long that lasts.

Next time just open their banking app and start transfering money to your account, let's see how long that lasts.

No hidden thoughts that might trigger shame? Then you are not human or you've been trepanned.

Did you read the last sentence?

came here to say this and i'm glad lemmy is keeping this alive.

Would you mind explaining your distaste for Signal instead of dropping a single facepalm emoji? Replies like these leave a lot to be desired, no offense.

"post hole"

Signal is a honeypot.

I think for those who has it it's not a problem, seen that they are sending pics of it to left and right even without being asked🤣

The way regressive bigots and their toadies are gaining power all over the world? We'll probably find out in a couple of months.

Sometimes asking if their private conversations (about spouse or kids) conversation would be different with an active observer in the room. Or if they are OK with a stranger at each window watching you. But some see that as paranoia, so it is fruitless.

The real issue is things like: how ICE is requesting records without subpoenas from telecom industries and they comply. Which lets them target protestors, and arrest them an trumped up charges. That's the slide into 1984 distopia. But it still comes off as paranoid.

???: "sure!"

"Okay, whip it out" and then start unzipping your fly.

"I have nothing to share"
It's healthy to want privacy and to say I don't want to share.

The big perspective shift for me, is not that I feel obliged to privacy in public. It's when the institution observing is so big and centralised that it becomes a power issue. I don't care if you (the people) see all that I do in public, I have nothing to hide. I do care when your agenda is to see everything and gain power from it.

• me some time ago

Spot on.

*Raises hand*

My go to was typically pointing to MLK and COINTELPRO.

You have nothing to hide until what was once acceptable rapidly changes.

"Do you have nothing to protect?"

do you shit with the door open?

Let me your phone unblocked and tell me your banking app password then

"If you have nothing to hide, you must be one boring-ass, useless mutherfucker."

you, yourself, don't even need a facebook or google account (or others) for them to have all sorts of data on you.

Yep and that’s why social media bros endlessly harvesting data is a travesty.

Shift the conversation towards autonomy, dignity and self-respect.

The user's interaction with the-billion-dollar-company's software is unpaid labour, which is why they profit and the user suffers. They suffer from having their data stolen; they suffer the expenses fostered on to them; they pay for the computers that spy on them; they pay for the electricity to run the spyware; they pay for the data-subscriptions that facilitate the theft of their data. They cover all the expenses of a billion-dollar-company and are deprived of any profit. They do not even garner a wage.

If one wishes to move towards the point of "my data is worthless" point out the company's profits or even its speculative valuations. Clearly it's not worthless. The products that are derived from their exploitation lead to even greater profits for those companies. "A.I." is a looting of the collective commons. A privatization of humanity's interaction with computers.

Do they like being exploited? Do they like their batteries draining faster, because their mobile-computer is running software to spy on them? Do they like running out of data because their mobile-computer is forcefully downloading ads and spyware-updates? Do they like ads? Do they like being interrupted by the highest bidder? Do they like annoying notifications that are just ads? Do they like this shitty experience? Are they complete docile slaves? They are less than wage-slaves for they do not even garner a wage! Have some self-respect and dignity!

"Can I come watch next time you and your partner have sexy times?"

But honestly, usually also those that I would trust with my life.

Lock eyes and unzip their pants.

Ask them for their social security number and credit card with ccv code.

"Unlock your phone and hand it to me"

"Yeah, that's what I thought"

I tell them privacy is a human right, that I don't need to come up with justifications for why I don't want to be exploited, and that you're only conditioned not to care.

If they don't see my point then I say OK then.

I hate this argument.

That is a good response. The problem is though they are also collecting data when we are in private. Look at what LG and I grantee you other smart TVs are doing.

This is a good response I typically don't have anything to hide. But do I want to share everything with everyone no.

So your getting their password or face or fingerprint? Most banking apps have some sort or authentication.

See the clothes thing is stupid you also wear clothes to keep you warm, keep your body from damage. There are so many other reasons to wear clothes then hiding things.

But what are they hiding there?

The other issue with data harvesting is there is no time limit. They just collect and store it forever.

do you shit with the door open , let me. take a few pics of you doing that

hand over your phone and let me take a look.