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flatbield
beehaw.org
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Knowledge cannot be stollen. That concept is human fabrication. Knowledge is meant to be shared and once share is flow freely. The Girls school issue. This is simple. The Iran war was in most aspects rushed, unplanned, unwise, and impulsive. This is about leadership. |
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jjj
piefed.blahaj.zone
jjj@piefed.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2026-08-18 |
Knowledge cannot be stollen. That concept is human fabrication. Knowledge is meant to be shared and once share is flow freely. The Girls school issue. This is simple. The Iran war was in most aspects rushed, unplanned, unwise, and impulsive. This is about leadership.
Stealing knowledge in an academic context means using it without credit, aka plagiarism, much unlike the common definition for media. Attribution doesn't restrict the flow of information, it simply gives credit where it is due. Refusing to attribute a work, strictly speaking, limits the flow of authorial information. As stated by the article, if sharing work may be punished by a bad actor people will selfishly restrict the flow of useful information in response to protect themselves from plagiarism. Doing something that makes academics choose between further advancement of their field and their own self interest is the principle malfeasance. |
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flatbield
beehaw.org
furrowsofar@beehaw.org Joined: 2023-06-13 |
Knowledge cannot be stollen. That concept is human fabrication. Knowledge is meant to be shared and once share is flow freely. Stealing knowledge in an academic context means using it without credit, aka plagiarism, much unlike the common definition for media. Attribution doesn't restrict the flow of information, it simply gives credit where it is due. Refusing to attribute a work, strictly spe...
The idea that credit is so important is an artifact of the system. Sharing is its own reward. Most so called inventions and discoveries are things that others have already done or will do anyway but get no credit for. This is from someone who has published peer reviewed papers and has many patents. I still believe the credit issue is largely bullshit. The exception is that yes you kind of have to play the game to work the system and it is important for that reason. |
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jjj
piefed.blahaj.zone
jjj@piefed.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2026-08-18 |
The idea that credit is so important is an artifact of the system. Sharing is its own reward. Most so called inventions and discoveries are things that others have already done or will do anyway but get no credit for. This is from someone who has published peer reviewed papers and has many patents. I still believe the credit issue is largely bullshit. The exception is that yes you kind of have ...
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I'm under the impression that in most of those cases it is a matter of duplication of work, rather than plagiarism as is being discussed here. For this problem, the reward is also 1 million dollars. Surely you're not claiming it's ok for Sam Altman to take the prize over someone who did the majority of the work. I say this as someone who releases all their software under open source licenses which maximize the ability to share under the condition that attribution and the ability to further share/alter is preserved. There is such a thing as malicious sharing of information/software/academic works, e.g. the distribution of proprietary software tools, plagiarism, etc. Harmful sharing ultimately limits the sharing of other information such as original authorship and source code. tl;dr If the Clay Math Institute knew for certain that Sam Altman was lying about authorship, they wouldn't want to give him the prize. That makes these actions deceptive and by principles of radical sharing of knowledge, morally wrong. I appreciate your perspective, thanks for the discussion. |
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flatbield
beehaw.org
furrowsofar@beehaw.org Joined: 2023-06-13 |
::: spoiler Most so called inventions and discoveries are things that others have already done or will do anyway but get no credit for. I'm under the impression that in most of those cases it is a matter of duplication of work, rather than plagiarism as is being discussed here. For this problem, the reward is also 1 million dollars. Surely you're not claiming it's ok for Sam Altman to take the ...
I am saying it is our winner take all society that over values a few at the expense of the many. The existance of the prize is a good example in itself. |
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ranandtoldthat
beehaw.org
ranandtoldthat@beehaw.org Joined: 2023-06-14 |
I am saying it is our winner take all society that over values a few at the expense of the many. The existance of the prize is a good example in itself.
The prize is indeed an unfortunate example. One of the reasons Perelman refused the prize is he felt Hamilton had done more than him in getting toward Poincare. That said, I think your initial point requires some more nuance. Knowledge can only exist meaningfully if there is someone to understand it. As social creatures, people tend to celebrate those who contribute to society. So, if someone like Sam Altman comes along and takes all the credit for a discovery, it does have an effect on the people who might have been socially motivated to work toward a discovery. Ultimately this is selfish behavior. And selfishness is antithetical to civil society. And civil society is what has allowed knowledge to flow freely. |
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