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verifytheposter
leminal.space
verifytheposter@leminal.space Joined: 2026-05-29 |
Matrix Metadata Problem: the server sees everything except your messages People pick Matrix because of end-to-end encryption. But E2EE only protects message content — everything around it is plaintext. The server sees:
And federation copies all of that to every other server whose users are in the room. Your "social footprint" isn't one copy — it's as many as there are servers. |
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illusionist
lemmy.zip
illusionist@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-30 |
It's news from 2023. It's nice to see a formal paper covering it. It lacks a comparison to other apps to judge about it. Is it good compared to other servers that only that information is in plain text or is whatsapp better than matrix in that regard? And does it actually matter? What is important to encrypt? It's strange that the server shares the IP to other servers. That's not really useful for another server.
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Hirom
beehaw.org
Hirom@beehaw.org Joined: 2023-03-02 |
It's news from 2023. It's nice to see a formal paper covering it. It lacks a comparison to other apps to judge about it. Is it good compared to other servers that only that information is in plain text or is whatsapp better than matrix in that regard? And does it actually matter? What is important to encrypt? It's strange that the server shares the IP to other servers. That's not really useful ...
Yes. Would love to see this compared to XMPP, maybe Signal.
It matters a lot! Here's one dramatic example: Some may find this acceptable, considering the army is rightfully targetting terrorists. However the same techniques are used by autoritarian states to target political opponents, journalists, human right defenders...
Even if there's a technical reason, it shows the protocol or implementations lack good metadata protections. Hopefully the matrix foundation can fix this soon. If not, people should look for more secure options. |
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illusionist
lemmy.zip
illusionist@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-30 |
It lacks a comparison to other apps... Yes. Would love to see this compared to XMPP, maybe Signal. And does it actually matter? What is important to encrypt? It matters a lot! Here's one dramatic example: General Michael Hayden, former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the NSA, confirmed after the Snowden disclosures, “We kill people based on metadata.” Some may find this ac...
It depends on your threat profile. I'm fine with that data being public on matrix - which I use for communities. The less data is known, the better |
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verifytheposter
leminal.space
verifytheposter@leminal.space Joined: 2026-05-29 |
It depends on your threat profile. I'm fine with that data being public on matrix - which I use for communities. The less data is known, the better
These aren’t mutually exclusive trade-offs: Matrix could support communities while minimizing or encrypting metadata by default. There should be a protocol that doesn’t require device details and profile data to be exposed just to participate. |
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illusionist
lemmy.zip
illusionist@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-30 |
These aren’t mutually exclusive trade-offs: Matrix could support communities while minimizing or encrypting metadata by default. There should be a protocol that doesn’t require device details and profile data to be exposed just to participate.
Yes, it's good that there is a solution to the problem |
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