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pammyfromthesticks mander.xyz pammyfromthesticks@mander.xyz
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davel lemmy.ml davel@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-07-08
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I should inspect my black & white printouts for the yellow dots. Alternately I guess I could remove the color cartridges.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_tracking_dots

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freedickpics lemmy.ml freedickpics@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-09-16
#3 · Quote Reply

Could this be solved with software that would just print its own random yellow dots to make the code unreadable? At the cost of wasted ink

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spacegoat lemmy.world spacegoat@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-28
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I should inspect my black & white printouts for the yellow dots. Alternately I guess I could remove the color cartridges. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_tracking_dots

That’s why a lot of printers refuse to print in black and white when color cartridges are empty.

There are exceptions but it is the case for a large amount of printers

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Dadifer lemmy.world Dadifer@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-08-04
#5 · Quote Reply

Oh, paper printers

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_deleted_ aussie.zone _deleted_@aussie.zone
Joined: 2025-10-15
#6 · Quote Reply

Could this be solved with software that would just print its own random yellow dots to make the code unreadable? At the cost of wasted ink

Only the dots in a certain place in a certain pattern are used to track the printer. Any other dots aren’t useful for that purpose and can be ignored. If you printed a solid block of yellow at the correct location, however, the tracking dots might be indistinguishable.

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surewhynotlem lemmy.world surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-13
#7 · Quote Reply

Just get a laser printer already

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bedwyr piefed.ca bedwyr@piefed.ca
Joined: 2026-03-23
#8 · Quote Reply

Could this be solved with software that would just print its own random yellow dots to make the code unreadable? At the cost of wasted ink

Nowadays though, they are wifi-ied. So they are ratting you out in other ways too, not just the paper markings, you can bet.

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thenextguy sh.itjust.works thenextguy@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-07-01
#9 · Quote Reply

Just get a laser printer already

I have a color laser printer. :/

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FineCoatMummy sh.itjust.works FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-02-17
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Only the dots in a certain place in a certain pattern are used to track the printer. Any other dots aren’t useful for that purpose and can be ignored. If you printed a solid block of yellow at the correct location, however, the tracking dots might be indistinguishable.

That's an interesting idea.

The wiki page says the pattern is repeated about 150 times on a standard page, so it is fault tolerant. In theory, a printer could also dynamically relocate them. To avoid regions of yellow. But if there was no dynamic reloc, then you could overwrite.

Wikipedia thinks you are onto something!

In 2018, scientists from TU Dresden developed and published a tool to extract and analyze the steganographic codes of a given color printer and subsequently to anonymize prints from that printer. The anonymization works by printing additional yellow dots on top of the printer's tracking dots. The scientists made the software available to support whistleblowers in their efforts to publicize grievances.

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Default Username lemmy.dbzer0.com defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-06-12
#11 · (edited) Quote Reply

I have a color laser printer. :/

You can use a blacklight to see if the printed page has the tracking dots.

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thenextguy sh.itjust.works thenextguy@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-07-01
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You can use a blacklight to see if the printed page has the tracking dots.

It's an hp. I just assume it does.

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HugeNerd lemmy.ca HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-06
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Even this cutie pie?

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FineCoatMummy sh.itjust.works FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2026-02-17
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Only the dots in a certain place in a certain pattern are used to track the printer. Any other dots aren’t useful for that purpose and can be ignored. If you printed a solid block of yellow at the correct location, however, the tracking dots might be indistinguishable.

Thinking more about your (and TU Dresden's) idea, circumvention would be a nice ability to have as standard functionality in linux printer drivers.

I wonder if inkjets do this too. I have only heard it in the context of color lasers, and that's all the wikipedia page says. But IDK why they wouldn't also add it to inkjets.

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adarza lemmy.ca adarza@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2024-05-29
#15 · Quote Reply

if you don't wanna watch a vid.. eff has posted several articles over the years on the 'tracking dots' of printers: https://www.eff.org/issues/printers

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BeMoreCareful lemmy.world BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-12
#16 · Quote Reply

Even this cutie pie?

That one will just stab you in your sleep, so you should be good.

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macaw_dean_settle lemmy.world macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-03-09
#17 · Quote Reply

I have a printer?

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moldy_rice piefed.keyboardvagabond.com moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com
Joined: 2026-08-07
#18 · Quote Reply

Can't watch YouTube.

How do black and white laser printers print yellow dots if there's no yellow toner?

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moldy_rice piefed.keyboardvagabond.com moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com
Joined: 2026-08-07
#19 · Quote Reply

aka MIC (Machine Identification Code)

https://dys2p.com/en/2022-09-print-scan-traces.html#mics-eigene-untersuchungen

Dys2p did a great write up about it

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moldy_rice piefed.keyboardvagabond.com moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com
Joined: 2026-08-07
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Can't watch YouTube. How do black and white laser printers print yellow dots if there's no yellow toner?

Update: they don't https://dys2p.com/en/2022-09-print-scan-traces.html#mics-eigene-untersuchungen

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FoxAlive lemmy.zip FoxAlive@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-06-29
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Can't watch YouTube. How do black and white laser printers print yellow dots if there's no yellow toner?

You not using newpipe/peertube etc?

Not trying to force you to do something you don't believe in your don't want to use, but generally I just type the title in and video shows up. Links used to copy paste and work but havent for me.

Only downside is if you switch in and out of PiP mode, or rewatch a unfinished video 12 minutes in YouTube will ban your IP for like 6hrs. Which is trivial with a VPN. I think switching from full video to pop out mode essentially refreshes the video load, and starting a view mid way through must be suspicious or bot like.

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moldy_rice piefed.keyboardvagabond.com moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com
Joined: 2026-08-07
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You not using newpipe/peertube etc? Not trying to force you to do something you don't believe in your don't want to use, but generally I just type the title in and video shows up. Links used to copy paste and work but havent for me. Only downside is if you switch in and out of PiP mode, or rewatch a unfinished video 12 minutes in YouTube will ban your IP for like 6hrs. Which is trivial with a V...

NewPipe doesn't work. It asks me to login to google.

I do use PeerTube.

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