cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/tech/p/1401393/xcancel-service-is-suspended-until-further-notice

Hacker News.

Source: Xcancel.

how do you get people off this platform. i know people (people who aren't Nazis) that still use this shit because "all the fandom's I like are there!!"...

man. fuck.

Meh, have to spin up rsshub for the feed.

Some people can't handle change. They get used to a service (ex. Twitter) and rather than leaving when it completely falls apart, they will fight beyond what is reasonable to hold onto what they used to enjoy.

Those people can't be helped until they finally realize that Twitter as they knew it is gone.

they will fight beyond what is reasonable to hold onto what they used to enjoy

why though? like. there are better services, there are services built almost exactly the same as twitter before the enshitifiation. Bsky + the various fedi platforms.

i know like. why. people are resistant to perceived change, but theres clearly more change staying on the hellsite if you step back and examine it.

its frustrating yk?

Maybe they can't handle it.
Ever had to do tech support for family? I can get logic like "[Feature description]. Check the box to enable the feature, or click skip to keep it disabled. You can enable the feature at any later point in the settings." and then they'll furiously yell "For fucks sake, but how do I turn it on? This stupid tech!"

better services

Not better in terms of Metcalfe's Law.

Not better in terms of instantly being able to engage with your whole prospective audience, not having to build an audience one Fedi server at a time.

I say this as someone who has contributed money, servers, and PRs to alternative social media networks.

Naw, probably it works like everything else in Trumpistan: You have to go to the right club and spend crypto and hang out with pervy 50+ yo hedge managers and 18- yo girls. Then you mysteriously get a secret URL to the raw X feed, diplomatic immunity, and owe a favor to Vladimir Putin.

It is better for the planet, its better for mental health, better for diversity, accessibility, open information, its better in every way but the fact people won't move. the argument of "well people aren't there so im not even going to try" is frustrating because it abstracts the blame of lack of users to the platform instead of the individuals who are refusing to even try.

i know exactly what youre talking about and I dont entirely get that behavior either. I understand it, I know why it happens logically, but it feels like a lack of effort or caring to me. It feels like someone saying "just get me my fill I dont care about the consequences"

I've never been a microblogger, but YouTube is this for me. It's maybe less of an existential problem with Twitter since alternatives are plentiful. Kinda starting to look like the solution is not watching online videos.

I feel like (at least for the time being) at least you can view youtube privately, without giving them revenue. They are continually fighting this, but as far as I am aware they havent tried to sue NewPipe or Invidious (Vanced is exempt from this rule because they thought making crypto currency of Googles IP would end well for them)

Twitter is owned by a known white supremacist who has been directly involved with ruining the lives of millions of people, in addition to the fact you literally can not access the platform right now unless you are contributing to them monetarily.

My frustration is sort of on the flip side. You can get (most of) what Twitter offers elsewhere, aside from specific people and communities. With YouTube, the ways around the machine lead... Back into the machine, ya know?

yeah I hear you. i wish there was more quality content on Peertube n stuff.

codeberg dot org shitter cough

Have you tried nebula ? Money is tight for me right now so I've stopped my subscription, but a lot of the creators I watch on YouTube are there.

Metcalfe's Law? I've never heard of this mathematician. Or was she a chemist?

It's different. YouTube is a defacto monopoly because Google looses money on it.

FWIW Nitter and XCancel are both run by right-wingers themselves, so I'm surprised they stuck around this long.

Fuuuuck meee, I did not know this. Thanks for the info! I will keep my instance running just so I can read stupid twitter links, but maybe I shall change the theme on it to look more anarchist or something fml dammit. Also add this info to my fork, I hate this so much

Similar issue with Reddit 3yrs ago when Spez went berzerk. The mass of users just couldn't manage to get off the platform / apathy / etc.

The value of a network grows with the square of the number of participants.

This explains winner-take-all dynamics in, eg, social networks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalfe's_law