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silence7
slrpnk.net
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northendtrooper
lemmy.ca
northendtrooper@lemmy.ca Joined: 2023-06-24 |
Surprised that more countries are not just doing a global push for more or total EV vehicles and banning ICE vehicles because of the fallout of the fuckhead who went to war, not war, with Iran. edit I'm not just talking about EV vehicles but more adoption of solar panels, wind mills, geothermal power plant, etc. |
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orioler25
lemmy.world
orioler25@lemmy.worldJoined: 2025-10-19 |
Well, yeah. Who knew it would be American imperialism that turns the tide on fossil fuels? In all seriousness, everyone has known that this is necessary for this system to continue, so it was inevitable that there'd be a shift. They're squeezing it while they can. |
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Zer0_F0x
lemmy.world
Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-01-18 |
Surprised that more countries are not just doing a global push for more or total EV vehicles and banning ICE vehicles because of the fallout of the fuckhead who went to war, not war, with Iran. edit I'm not just talking about EV vehicles but more adoption of solar panels, wind mills, geothermal power plant, etc.
You need the appropriate grid overhaul I would imagine to be able to sustain a sudden spike in EV adoption. That electricity has to come from somewhere and that somewhere usually means fossil fuels or coal that's transported on similar tankers that are also caught in the metaphorical and literal crossfire. Solar adoption is already at an all-time high and accelerating, but that's not equally available everywhere. I'm no expert in any of this stuff, it's just how I understand it from an armchair perspective. Feel free to chime in. |
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lntl
lemmy.ml
lntl@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-06-04 |
I imagine analysts have identified that building an economy that is dependent on a resource like oil or gas comes with drawbacks and that the oil and gas lobby has access to the worlds militaries which may be used to mitigate those drawbacks. |
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Valmond
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-11-13 |
You need the appropriate grid overhaul I would imagine to be able to sustain a sudden spike in EV adoption. That electricity has to come from somewhere and that somewhere usually means fossil fuels or coal that's transported on similar tankers that are also caught in the metaphorical and literal crossfire. Solar adoption is already at an all-time high and accelerating, but that's not equally av...
That's always how it is though? Can't have EVs because not enough electricity, won't build green electricity because not enough EVs. |
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Valmond
lemmy.dbzer0.com
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-11-13 |
Historian: donald trump made the EU arm up, the green transition go up, removed dependency of oil and gas, ... Ghost of donald: so people remember me for doing good? Historian: what a shit head he was, if only he knew how we despise him. If we even remember him. |
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Zer0_F0x
lemmy.world
Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-01-18 |
That's always how it is though? Can't have EVs because not enough electricity, won't build green electricity because not enough EVs.
The EVs are there for anyone to buy at this point, though plug-in hybrids are currently the best option. You can do short commutes on battery power alone and you have an IC engine ready when needed. Also if we force all EV manufacturers to adopt a standard for homes to be able to use their cars as back-up power, or generally for the grid to be able to utilize plugged-in EVs with over 80% capacity to feed back into the grid when required, that could solve most of the problems but it soulds like a nightmare to implement from an engineering standpoint. Edit: this post describes the benefits and challenges. |
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WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]
reddthat.com
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com Joined: 2023-12-31 |
You need the appropriate grid overhaul I would imagine to be able to sustain a sudden spike in EV adoption. That electricity has to come from somewhere and that somewhere usually means fossil fuels or coal that's transported on similar tankers that are also caught in the metaphorical and literal crossfire. Solar adoption is already at an all-time high and accelerating, but that's not equally av...
Even with transmission losses and even if you powered them solely with fossil fuels, aren't the electric drivetrains and power plants still so much more efficient that you still reduce fossil fuel use by burning it at a power plant instead of ICE motor? |
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WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]
reddthat.com
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com Joined: 2023-12-31 |
Historian: donald trump made the EU arm up, the green transition go up, removed dependency of oil and gas, ... Ghost of donald: so people remember me for doing good? Historian: what a shit head he was, if only he knew how we despise him. If we even remember him.
Would be similar to how no one thinks of Nixon as the EPA/clear air & water guy or the war on cancer guy. |
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Womble
piefed.world
Womble@piefed.world Joined: 2025-07-10 |
You need the appropriate grid overhaul I would imagine to be able to sustain a sudden spike in EV adoption. That electricity has to come from somewhere and that somewhere usually means fossil fuels or coal that's transported on similar tankers that are also caught in the metaphorical and literal crossfire. Solar adoption is already at an all-time high and accelerating, but that's not equally av...
OTOH, even coal powered electricity is significantly less polluting than ICE cars, both in terms of co2 and in terms of not spewing particulates out in people's faces. |
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bilouba
jlai.lu
bilouba@jlai.lu Joined: 2023-08-20 |
With all the oil burning from both the Iran war and Russian invasion, I doubt that optimism, but it just a gut feeling seeing these videos of huge flames and smokes. I hope they are right 🤞 |
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sparkyshocks
lemmy.zip
sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-03-22 |
With all the oil burning from both the Iran war and Russian invasion, I doubt that optimism, but it just a gut feeling seeing these videos of huge flames and smokes. I hope they are right 🤞
Most of that oil would've burned anyway, just a little bit at a time, inside a combustion chamber, after being refined and distributed somewhere. When an oil pipeline or well catches fire, it burns in a spectacularly dirty way, but the net CO2 emissions in the atmosphere is actually reduced from shutting down that facility so that it can't process and export as much oil anymore. Meanwhile, the logistics and pricing effects probably destroy demand, so that the world as a whole burns less oil afterward. |
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sik0fewl
piefed.ca
sik0fewl@piefed.ca Joined: 2025-07-06 |
Historian: donald trump made the EU arm up, the green transition go up, removed dependency of oil and gas, ... Ghost of donald: so people remember me for doing good? Historian: what a shit head he was, if only he knew how we despise him. If we even remember him.
Hopefully it will be his wasting legacy. |
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altphoto
lemmy.today
altphoto@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-04-14 |
Its working! How about coal? Maybe bankrupting all bucket manufacturers? These are real results from crazy crazy people in power. |
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boonhet
lemmy.zip
boonhet@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-08-12 |
The EVs are there for anyone to buy at this point, though plug-in hybrids are currently the best option. You can do short commutes on battery power alone and you have an IC engine ready when needed. Also if we force all EV manufacturers to adopt a standard for homes to be able to use their cars as back-up power, or generally for the grid to be able to utilize plugged-in EVs with over 80% capaci...
Best option by what metric? Plugin hybrids come with a unique set of issues that neither EV nor pure ICE have. Exactly because you'll do all your short commutes on battery. Exhausts literally rust through because they don't get used enough to clear out all the condensation that develops. Flooring it when you need to accelerate suddenly will cause a cold ICE to come on and take a heavy load without the oil being warmed up, etc. I'm considering a few too, but I'm not exactly going to pretend they don't have whole new issues. |
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eldavi
lemmy.ml
eldavi@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-07-18 |
Surprised that more countries are not just doing a global push for more or total EV vehicles and banning ICE vehicles because of the fallout of the fuckhead who went to war, not war, with Iran. edit I'm not just talking about EV vehicles but more adoption of solar panels, wind mills, geothermal power plant, etc.
the only place where you can get green tech that's both scalable and affordable like this is china and the entire global north and its periphery is united in preventing this green tech from getting into our hands to various levels. |
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plateee
piefed.social
plateee@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-09-20 |
The EVs are there for anyone to buy at this point, though plug-in hybrids are currently the best option. You can do short commutes on battery power alone and you have an IC engine ready when needed. Also if we force all EV manufacturers to adopt a standard for homes to be able to use their cars as back-up power, or generally for the grid to be able to utilize plugged-in EVs with over 80% capaci...
I dunno. Straight up hybrids are superior to ice vehicles, but plug in hybrids seem super niche. I rented a jeep 4xe and the battery only mode would only go about 10-20 miles - I'm not super far from work, but it's still double that range. And the default software mode was to consume all the battery then only recharge like a normal hybrid (e.g. keeping the battery at basically empty). Plus the mileage wasn't much better because it was lugging around the battery pack. |
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boonhet
sopuli.xyz
boonhet@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2025-06-16 |
Surprised that more countries are not just doing a global push for more or total EV vehicles and banning ICE vehicles because of the fallout of the fuckhead who went to war, not war, with Iran. edit I'm not just talking about EV vehicles but more adoption of solar panels, wind mills, geothermal power plant, etc.
Okay I'm sorry to be that guy, but wind mills are used to grind stuff, like grains into flour. You mean wind turbines/generators. |
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HaraldvonBlauzahn
feddit.org
HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org Joined: 2025-04-04 |
Time for a Nobel prize, I guess. Who should get it? |
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whyNotSquirrel
sh.itjust.works
whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-10 |
Okay I'm sorry to be that guy, but wind mills are used to grind stuff, like grains into flour. You mean wind turbines/generators.
no no, we grind the grains then we burn it for energy |
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Hanrahan
slrpnk.net
hanrahan@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-03-14 |
The EVs are there for anyone to buy at this point, though plug-in hybrids are currently the best option. You can do short commutes on battery power alone and you have an IC engine ready when needed. Also if we force all EV manufacturers to adopt a standard for homes to be able to use their cars as back-up power, or generally for the grid to be able to utilize plugged-in EVs with over 80% capaci...
no, they are the worst of both worlds, a smaller battery lugging around an ICE drivetrain, an ICE drivetrain lugging around a heavy battery, and double the complications. Most people don't plug their PHEV and fuel usage becomes horrendous Fuck PHEVs
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Florencia (she/her)
lemmy.blahaj.zone
florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2024-10-23 |
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Keni
lemmy.ml
Keni@lemmy.ml Joined: 2026-09-09 |
Global fossil-fuel emissions are set to fall by in 2026 Time for a Nobel prize, I guess. Who should get it?
Defo the Hutties |
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moldy_rice
piefed.keyboardvagabond.com
moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.comJoined: 2026-08-07 |
Great news. We need a "ratchet law" that only allows the price of fossil fuels to go up, never down. If the crude price goes down, excess profits go to subsidize research and infrastructure to replace fossil fuels. |
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moldy_rice
piefed.keyboardvagabond.com
moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.comJoined: 2026-08-07 |
Surprised that more countries are not just doing a global push for more or total EV vehicles and banning ICE vehicles because of the fallout of the fuckhead who went to war, not war, with Iran. edit I'm not just talking about EV vehicles but more adoption of solar panels, wind mills, geothermal power plant, etc.
Ethiopia did it. But grid tied EV busses make more sense than EV cars. |
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moldy_rice
piefed.keyboardvagabond.com
moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.comJoined: 2026-08-07 |
You need the appropriate grid overhaul I would imagine to be able to sustain a sudden spike in EV adoption. That electricity has to come from somewhere and that somewhere usually means fossil fuels or coal that's transported on similar tankers that are also caught in the metaphorical and literal crossfire. Solar adoption is already at an all-time high and accelerating, but that's not equally av...
Eh, EVs make sense to charge when parked at home or work, where you can have solar panels within 1 km (so very little loss over distance). What percent of the country's roofs are covered with solar panels? 5%? The solution is pretty easy. Solar panels are stupid cheap these days. |
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humanspiral
lemmy.ca
humanspiral@lemmy.ca Joined: 2024-10-23 |
Forecast may be wrong, in not counting explosions, and may miss some military use. |
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sparkyshocks
lemmy.zip
sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-03-22 |
Forecast may be wrong, in not counting explosions, and may miss some military use.
Do explosions contribute emissions? If it's oil fields and oil wells and oil pipelines burning, the ongoing burning is actually less than the amount of burning that would've happened after refining and distribution into tanks to be burned for energy. It's burned at the end of the path whether that's in a pipeline explosion or in the combustion chamber of a Ford F-150 engine. If you're talking about military munitions, does that compare to the millions of barrels of oil that have been taken offline? |
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sparkyshocks
lemmy.zip
sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-03-22 |
Ethiopia did it. But grid tied EV busses make more sense than EV cars.
Ethiopia is special in that they have immense hydro power capacity, and are building more. For them, energy independence means electrified transport, rather than powering transportation from imported fossil fuels. |
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sparkyshocks
lemmy.zip
sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-03-22 |
no no, we grind the grains then we burn it for energy
I think I'm burning about 2500 calories per day of grain and similar substances. |
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humanspiral
lemmy.ca
humanspiral@lemmy.ca Joined: 2024-10-23 |
Do explosions contribute emissions? If it's oil fields and oil wells and oil pipelines burning, the ongoing burning is actually less than the amount of burning that would've happened after refining and distribution into tanks to be burned for energy. It's burned at the end of the path whether that's in a pipeline explosion or in the combustion chamber of a Ford F-150 engine. If you're talking a...
bombs hitting a house do create emissions from bomb and any burning matter. Oil on fire, absolutely creates emissions comparable to their refined products, and also needs replacement oil to meet original demand for products. Investments in new oil drilling or refineries to meet any current scarcity will also be sucked up until they are dry, or keep producing even if most of the world prefers clean energy. Their production/transportation is some emissions too. OP is calculating end user consumption for fuels. I'm not sure OP gave an exact number, but they are saying you will drive F150 3-5% less on average. |
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sparkyshocks
lemmy.zip
sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-03-22 |
bombs hitting a house do create emissions from bomb and any burning matter. Oil on fire, absolutely creates emissions comparable to their refined products, and also needs replacement oil to meet original demand for products. Investments in new oil drilling or refineries to meet any current scarcity will also be sucked up until they are dry, or keep producing even if most of the world prefers cl...
What I'm saying is that the sheer quantity of combustible hydrocarbons burned after normal production is so much more than what is burned from a damaged well/pipeline. Imagine a pipeline transports 1 million barrels of oil per day, but an explosion damages it so that 100,000 barrels are burned uncontrolled, but the pipeline is shut down for 10 days. Does burning that 100,000 cause more emissions than is saved by slowing down 10 million barrels of production from the wells that have nowhere to put the oil? Aggregated across the entire oil market, the price signals and shortages start killing demand, too, so that the world as a whole burns less oil. So if even if the war causes 100 million barrels worth of emissions, if it slows down consumption by 1 million barrels per day for a year, isn't that a net negative in emissions? (I know that uncontrolled burning causes lots of other pollution that wouldn't have otherwise been created, but if we're talking about just the CO2 it seems that war causing supply disruptions would be a net negative effect to global emissions) |
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33550336
lemmy.world
33550336@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-02-22 |
Trump, you leftist eco-terrorist |
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eleitl
lemmy.zip
eleitl@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-05 |
I can guarantee that you won't see it in the Keeling curve. |
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silence7
Moderator
silence7@slrpnk.net Joined: 2023-06-11 |
I can guarantee that you won't see it in the Keeling curve.
The point where the Keeling Curve change can be eyeballed is the point where we have actually won. This is a very modest "things get worse a little less quickly" change right now |
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eleitl
lemmy.zip
eleitl@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-05 |
The point where the Keeling Curve change can be eyeballed is the point where we have actually won. This is a very modest "things get worse a little less quickly" change right now
Are you sure? I see zero deviations. Somebody do a semilog plot, since it so far sure looks exponential to me. |
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HulkSmashBurgers
reddthat.com
HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com Joined: 2023-07-03 |
Did trump and his band of assclowns unintentionally usher in the post fossil fuel era 😂🤣? |
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