Who are the real barbarians?

Uh...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran

Iran is only hitting US military bases in other countries, because even now an attack on US soil is a terrible idea.

trump and Iran are both evil, but Iran isn't ran by idiots. They understand the game.

Like in most conflicts, both sides can be shitty. But Iran makes what trump is doing with ICE like nothing. They're both evil and shouldn't be in power, but Iran's government has killed looooads more Iranians than trump.

I am definitely not an expert on Iran, so I will not say whether Iran truly has a history of human rights abuses or not, but I have to say the citations of that Wikipedia article ia full of citations from sources that have clear vested interest in the United State hegemony. This is the exact kind of Wikipedia article teachers warned aginst citing when I was in school.

Still the only nation to have nuked cities.

Thank goodness it was the good guys who did it and the bad guys have never done it. It'd be horrific if the bad guys did it.

Look there have been at least 2,000 attacks on U.S. schools with guns... They just so happen to be performed by people from the U.S as well

Iran is only hitting US military bases in other countries, because even now an attack on US soil is a terrible idea.

US military bases in other countries are very explicitly considered "US soil."

Do you expect a country defending itself against attack to travel around the world to attack instead of using those resources defensively?

so I will not say whether Iran truly has a history of human rights abuses or not

In the time it took you to type that a rational adult could have just looked it up...

You're from .ml, I have zero idea what you would consider an acceptable source. And I'm not fucking playing that game where every time I link something you say it's not good enough.

This is the exact kind of Wikipedia article teachers warned aginst citing when I was in school.

You didn't understand then

You don't understand now.

I see no reason to believe my time would be more helpful than you're teachers.

They very much are not, at least not by default. That's typically reserved for embassies and consulates. Many foreign bases remain under host nation control.

Sorry, but this is a false equivalence.

Of course things are terrible inside Iran, especially for women. However. This is about each country’s military strategy.

If you want to whataboutism into “but look at their human rights for their own people”, I will gladly send you here and there for a moment of pause and reflection.

And yes Iran is strategecally far superior in the way they are playing this, but if you think that through, you will understand that Donny and Benji are providing a perfect external threat to Iran, bolstering the perceived need for a ‘protector’ in the from of the IRG.

This zionist war is helping Iran to keep it’s status quo, rather than letting the people continue the beginnings of a groundswell movement which was beginning to take place right before the war.

Your wiki article far from unbiased, and you might want to take into account who’s been interfering for over half a century tool.

TLDR; don’t compare a theocracy vs a (kleptocracy + theocracy) and say one is better than the other. Go print a newspaper in Jerusalem with FREE PALESTINE as the headline, or go walk around freely as a hispanic looking person in any democratic state in the US.

I am not sure you want to go down this road, the US has killed likely millions of children in iraq, iran, afganistan, yemen, etc

I wonder what Iran would be like if it still had its democratic government before the U.S. and U.K. orchestrated a coup in 1953 that installed the Shah for the crime of nationalizing their oil industry. Iran was on a path to democracy and the US undid that and installed an authoritarian leader.

I'll put on my cynical hat, and assume Iran isn't a perfect humanitarian state.

They are fighting a different war, they know if the US gets the slightest amount of public support it'll be Iraq/Afghanistan all over again, while the US is bombing Iran, Iran is fighting the propaganda war, and they are doing amazing.

From the lego videos, to only hitting targets the US public don't care/can't complain. Like military bases, Amazon Data centers...

They only have to fight until next election cycle. And this extremely unpopular offensive will be over. and they might even get a friendlier US administration.

Trump is 100% losing this war.

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Obviously way better...

But that's not whose been running Iran?

Like, America would be a lot better off if Al Gore and Bernie Sanders had been elected too.

the US has killed likely millions of children in iraq, iran, afganistan, yemen, etc

The fuck are you talking about even?

1. Why add a shit ton of countries?

2. I'd still be surprised if they directly killed millions of children in all of the middle east. But even if they had, why wouldn't you compare that to how many Irans government has killed in all those countries?

Uh, Iran has bombed a bunch of civilian sites. Also massacred tens of thousands of activists then blacked out the internet to hide it from the world.

Sorry, but there are no good guys in this one.

Eh, I get what you mean but imagine the Nazis started nuking.

not a meme, OP needs to post more funnies.

here, I'll start:

Also a prime sponsor of terrorism all over the Middle East. Sure, the US shouldn't be there and shouldn't be acting like assholes, but you're 100% correct. No good guys.

They really choose their best school shooters

If they stayed out of the middle east and didn’t force Israel to exist you would see a lot less “terrorism” so don’t blame middle eastern countries because dumb colonizers(UK) and their colony(USA) exists. A lot of the current problems in the middle east stem from the colonizers being dumbasses for over 100 years.

They're both barbarians, if by barbaric you mean "murders civilians".

Iran has murdered a lot of their own people though, let's not be silly.

I wouldn't say the USA is "better", but I'd wager that the US kills less of its own citizens per capita. We generally don't murder thousands of protestors at a time, instead it's a respectable dozen or so.

The reason that they have only hit military bases is that their missiles have a limited range, they'd certainly hit the mainland if their missiles were capable of it. I can't tell if this is a joke or not, but no.

I think that we shouldn't even have a single military base there, but we decided long ago to maintain a presence in the Middle East for various strategic reasons, so we founded Israel and built a bunch of bases and sent weapons to everyone in the region to keep them busy killing each other. We appear to be irreversibly committed, by "we" I mean whomever is in charge of our world-wide ambitions.

(Just kidding, it's JP Morgan)

This right here. Add to that the fact that many undocumented migrants from Central and South America are often escaping political environments that are the direct result of predatory and/or parasitic American policies.

Intrusive American foreign policy is often the source of bad situations around the world.

It just struck me. Germany invented missiles just before Japan sent their boys on suicide runs as living missiles. The nazi scientists in the US watching Japan throw so many people away must have felt pretty self satisfied

everything is in the "another"

you’re teachers.

Don't accuse others of failing to learn from their teachers lol.

Oh yeah Iran would definitely give up its influence over the neighbourhood if only Israel didn't exist lol

Millions? Bruh if you want to be taken seriously you have at least try to sound like you know what numbers mean

We will never know and that's not the reality of today. Useless to speculate about, the regime can convert to democracy and stop oppressing its citizens any day they want, but they won't.

US military bases in other countries are very explicitly considered "US soil."

You know they meant the US proper.

They only have to fight until next election cycle. And this extremely unpopular offensive will be over. and they might even get a friendlier US administration.

Chuck and Hakeem criticisms of the war is that it is not being run competently enough, when Trump had a stopped-clock-moment and signed the first peace deal, they and the rest of BlueMaga were saying TACO Trump.

I have no faith a Gavin Newsom presidency stops the war.

You don't need to be an expert on Iran to know about the human right abuses lol

massacred tens of thousands of activists

Trump literally admitted they had armed them.

Was Iran supposed to let US proxies just prevent them from defending themselves?

Yeah man, autocorrect isn't a thing...

Still not surprising .ml thinks Iran are good guys.

They tried that already. Where did it get them?

If you think the US would lay off the attacks at all if Iran was more democratic, you're delusional. The last thing the US wants is for it's prospective resource colonies to be democratic. Because democracies tend to insist on getting a fair deal for their resources so they can reinvest the money on development. Far better to install a military dictatorship that depends on foreign backing and in turn suppresses the people into compliance, while the colonizer steals their resources. Which is exactly the system the US installed in Iran and kept around for decades.

At this point, the US mostly just wants Iranians to suffer (assuming subjugating them again isn't on the table), because they had the audacity to overthrow their puppet and they don't want any other colonies getting any ideas.

They might have killed a quarter of a million civilians.

Right, but the people running Iran right now are the result of the US interfering explicitly to combat Iran's socialization of their oil. Which reflexively led to the Iranian Revolution and the current Islamic Republic. The current regime would not exist without US interference. Al Gore and Bernie Sanders suffered domestic interference, not foreign.

You are aware the nukes were dropped on Japan, not Germany, right? Like at that time Germany was already defeated.

Iran definitely has smarter leaders. Low bar, I know.

You could also say Iran's pro-democratic people and socialists suffered a little bit of 'domestic intereference' when the islamists started killing them off after the revolution

Winning might not even be the point...

"western barbarians" was always used as a trope in games and media to describe the us, by asians.

and only by RIGHT wingers, who are white.

If only they hadn't had to game so much, they'd be down there helping them hang socialists

Not what they said. this situation has been fabricated by the west. The players are all assholes, but they didn't invent the game.

Who tried to steal who's oil in the 50's?

Who tried and succeeded to overthrow a democratically elected government in Iran and instill the Shaw in the 50's?

Who traded arms for hostages in the late 1970's and where did the money come from to buy said arms?

Who is Oliver North and why is he a CNN analyst?

Imagine if Iran did this to the USA?

All the USA does is cause terror and pain throughout the world and history.

A downstream effect, but you're absolutely right

The US isn't making Iran have the death penalty for adultery.

The US isn't enforcing Irans draconian moral laws and the US didn't murder Jina Amini in a prison cell.

The mullah regime manages to be terrible all without the US/Zionist interventions.

The way to remove them is not a bombing campaign, but if they all died of turbo aids tonight I'd do a happy little dance.

Everyone's shit here and the primary victims are the Iranian people.

losing this war

That's what America does

As always, the point is enriching the wealthy. How they do that is any way possible.

I would take "tens of thousands" with reserve. It would put casualty rate up there with Ukraine and Gaza war. And all this with small firearms vs 1000kg bombs in war.

Its hard to get anything resembling the truth because gov wants a clean image and protests were happening just before Israel/USA attack which had direct goal of toppling gov with these numbers as justification.