Three national surveys reveal how factors such as gender, age, political alignment and income are correlated with support for white nationalism in the United States.

Paywalled because the gestapo controls "science" too.

I'm sure they have racist parents too.

I have to wonder why the liberal media find the term "white nationalism" more acceptable than white supremacism.

Liberalism always try to blame fascism on nationalism in the hopes of obscuring the paternal relationship between liberalism and fascism.

here you go

https://files.catbox.moe/8je2nh.pdf

Because nuance is good and they're not the same thing.

they’re not the same thing.

Then explain the difference to me.

It's in the name and in the dictionary, you're being strange.

The overlap is very large tbf

This is true which is why nuance is important.

Nothing says, "I don't really know what I'm talking about" faster than hiding behind a dictionary definition.

Again... explain the difference to me, liberal.

Holy shit the difference is literally nationalism you fucking buffoon.

Sooooooo... if you swap the term "supremacist" for "nationalist" it makes white supremacism sound better?

Is that it?

No white nationalism is more accurate.

Since you apparently can't think of or figure out what words mean on your own I'll spoon feed it to your dumb ass as you so demand.

A white supremacist may want a country with whites at the top and everyone else below as chattel ie the antebellum south eg Israels treatment of Arab isrealis.

A white nationalist wants a white nation, no minorities just white. Ie. Ethnic cleansing eg Israel in Gaza just replace non white with Palestinian.

I can't express how fucking stupid you're being but trust me you're being a proper fucking idiotic shill.

White supremacism is larger than white nationalism.

White nationalists want a white ethnostate, or at least segregation in their country, which is perceived as inherently white.

White supremacists believe the "white race" is "superior". It is more a philosophical stand than a political one.

An example where the difference matters is south Africa's apartheid, which was white supremacism applied, but wouldn't be classified as white nationalism.

Another is countries with a mostly white population, where white nationalism has no meaning, but white supremacism can still exist.

White nationalists want a white ethnostate,

And they are being driven into wanting this by something other than white supremacism, perhaps?

An example where the difference matters is south Africa’s apartheid, which was white supremacism applied, but wouldn’t be classified as white nationalism.

LOOL!

You're talking to somebody who remembers Apartheid in the bone - because I was there.

And no... the (alleged) "difference" does not matter because there was - and still is - none.

Soooo... what you are trying to tell me, liberal, is that (so-called) "white nationalists," who, according to you, merely want to "racially cleanse" a nation of everything and everyone that isn't considered "white" - and therefore cannot possibly be animated by the exact same white supremacist ideology that has driven "western" civilisation for the past 300 (or so) years?

I recently saw this video and it was pretty insane.

Jubilee - 1 Progressive vs 20 Far-Right Conservatives(ft. Mehdi Hasan)

https://youtu.be/2S-WJN3L5eo

Every white nationalist is a white supremacist. It's inherent in the desire to have the nation just for them. There are white supremacists that aren't white nationalists, but that's mostly just because they aren't thinking that big.

There's no reason for nuance when the effect of that nuance is to downplay the core issue. If people were viewing nationalism as a more organized and impactful form of virulent racism then it might make sense, but it's mostly just an effort to rebrand white supremacy from tatted up skinhead neo-Nazis to Polo shirts and tiki torches, because the latter's grooming is more specifically compatible with "polite society" and a "marketplace of ideas".

I wonder what the rate of impotence is in that demographic.

No shit?! Look at Mr Big fuckin brain over here reasoning out the dreadfully obvious! Go figure white nationalism is a more nuanced descriptive label. Also good job stating why your argument is fuckin dumb as shit.

There are white supremacists that aren't white nationalists, but that's mostly just because they aren't thinking that big.

So why do we call them white nationalists? Because it's more descriptive and still calls them a white supremacist. Which leaves the question why do you insist on less adjectives, less descriptors, and less nuance? Are you somehow offended by being wrapped in with white nationalists? I have my guess and I'm betting it's pretty fuckin accurate.

Dumb.

And they are being driven into wanting this by something other than white supremacism, perhaps?

No dipshit.

A white nationalist is always a white supremacist whereas a white supremacist isn't always a white nationalist. One is a derivation or extension of the other you fuckin nupty. Theres an obvious difference between wanting genocide and wanting ethnically separated nations, if you can't see that I think it speaks volumes about you as a person.

Theres an obvious difference between wanting genocide and wanting ethnically separated nations,

Soooo... you are running interference for this right-wing propaganda because you think it makes your brand of white supremacism look better?

1 in 7 is just over 14%, double it to include their mates and we reach the 30% mark that I keep hearing bout.

We need a purging.

Holy shit are dirt and mud different in your special special brain?

No merely about it weirdo.

White nationalist explicitly means there white supremacist you absolute ballbag.

Literally the dictionary you deride for it's simplicity:

one of a group of militant white people who espouse white supremacy (see white supremacy sense 1) and advocate enforced racial segregation

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white nationalist

Lol, Mr. Nuance is Good jumping to the most insane conclusion possible while actively ignoring the direct words that answer "why wouldn't you want to called them nationalists vs. supremacists".

The media sanitizes white supremacy, because calling it what it is causes unpleasant cognitive dissonance in Jane from the suburbs whose clean cut son watches the same "urban decay" news stories she does but doesn't use the euphemisms to pretty it up. White supremacists are tattooed gang members, not her precious little boy. People have a baked in view about white supremacists being bad guys, but with a simple change of label they're able to pretend this is a brand new thing. This whole thread is about how comfortable the media is with using "nationalist" vs. "supremacist" and it's not because they think "nationalist" is a worse term that will shock the reader.

Bro at this point I kinda doubt your ability to read and kinda assume at this point you're having ai read it to you and write your response because I truly hope you aren't actually this fucking dumb.

I answered that question, I prefer it because it's more descriptive. It's saying why wouldn't you describe mud as only dirt instead of wet dirt.

Holy fucking shit. White nationalism is my fucking definition white supremacy the phrase simply adds a descriptor for detail. I you can't possibly be this dumb, I refuse to believe it.

Who could have seen this coming after by ung white males have been demonized

No, I'm not an incel, far from it. Just saying that for about the past decade it's been very visible on the internet that all white males are racist sexist achool shooters unless proven otherwise.

I've seen at least for five years that many young guys lack good example figures and so they go fins them themselves and they find shits like Andrew Tate.

Now were all pikacho surprised that so many young guys are going for fascism? What did people expect would happen?

Sadly this is a major part of it; also being in the military. It might surprise you how many people I've known have complete opposite opinions depending on who is listening.

Votes don't matter in any sort of inherent sense of worth way. We're both people who have and express opinions. But if I was getting universally downvoted for my opinion like you are, I think I'd take a moment of self-reflection before coming to the conclusion that everyone you interact with is an illiterate asshole.

And seriously, if you're going to jump to a "you're dumb" insult, starting the comment off with "Bro" and following with misspellings and bad grammar isn't really giving it the punch you imagine. But hey, maybe it really is everyone else who's the problem in this conversation.

Congratulations on having the sex. Everyone agrees, that's pretty cool.

I’ve seen at least for five years that many young guys lack good example figures and so they go fins them themselves and they find shits like Andrew Tate.

It's been much longer than that. This is the outcome of capitalism, nationalism, and imperialism coming home to roost.

What did people expect would happen?

I think almost everyone knew this was gonna happen, and that's why we were very vocally fighting against it. Maybe if white males hadn't been assholes, who were terrorizing everyone else, people wouldn't have demonized them.

I say this, as a white male. We've had immense privilege, for a long time, and have squandered it. Now that people are increasingly able to voice their frustations about that, we're throwing a hissy fit about how everyone else is "being so mean" to us.

And they are being driven into wanting this by something other than white supremacism, perhaps?

And you should read my first sentence, perhaps?

White nationalists are white Supremacists, not true the other way around, particularly when nation is a word with a meaning.

But since you know it all... There is no point in discussing this further.

Soooo... even your precious dictionary can't come up with a meaningful difference?

Do tell, liberal - why is the liberal propaganda machine so invested in blaming white supremacism on nationalism?

And you should read my first sentence, perhaps?

Very well... let's have a look at your first sentence then, shall we?

White supremacism is larger than white nationalism.

That was it, am I correct?

So, if it's true that "white supremacism is larger than white nationalism" - as you claim it to be - explain to me why white liberal media is going out of it's way to minimise white supremacism in this way?

Did I hit a nerve, liberal?

Hey, I was just trying to clear out a definition for you.

You are getting your hatred in the way, which is a shame. That rethorical question is just passive agressive and has no link to the definitions or your refusal of understanding the difference of scope.

For my own purpose, racists are pieces of shit, whatever flavor they come in, but knowing the flavors is a way of optimizing local fights as I live in an area with an unfortunate large number and diversity of fascists. If you are not interested in the subject, it's your problem, not mine.

Nope but clearly I did because you won't answer a yes or no question that defeats your dipshit argument in itself.

Nationalism is the difference. Battery and assault are similar but different and white nationalism and white supremacy are directly related but not the same thing. If they were the same thing it wouldn't have two different definitions with one definition being a more specific version of the other.

Do tell, I'm a card carrying armed socialist so why in your infinite buttfuckery are you insistent anyone who disagrees with you is a liberal. Riddle me that one simple Jack.

I'll take that as an affirmative.

I'm not even sure why you liberals even bother hiding it at this point.

Nationalism is the difference.

No it isn't, liberal. You just want it to be the difference.

’m a card carrying armed socialist

Really? Is that why you're so upset at somebody pushing back against liberal propaganda?

your refusal of understanding the difference of scope

A (supposed) "difference of scope" that only liberals (and liberals cosplaying as leftists) seem to care about?

whatever flavor they come in,

They only come in one "flavour," lib - it's white supremacist. If you don't get that, I suggest you leave the "local fights" to people who won't sabotage the effort with liberal fantasies about what white supremacism actually is.

What's the word that's different? National meaning the difference is nationalism. Nazis weren't justb white supremacists they were white nationalist hence the attempted genocide.

It's not liberal propaganda, they're two different words with similar basis and different details. Ie. It's not anyone's propaganda you simply went full retard with your character.

You don't get to run now dipshit answer the question. Are mud and dirt the same thing?

Ooooh! So angry! Touchy, touchy.

Quite eager to protect the liberal socio-economic order and the white supremacist violence it cannot exist without, are we?

You know what we call a working-class thug that willingly protects the liberal socio-economic order, Clyde?

National meaning the difference is nationalism.

So... still no answer as to why the liberal propaganda machine is so desperate to conflate white supremacism with nationalism, eh?

There's no conflation white nationalism is also white supremacy dipshit, how many times you need that clarified?

Answer the question and stop trying to redirect. Are mud and dirt the same thing?

Every rectangle is a square, not all squares are rectangles. Plenty of white supremacists that also believe the govt can't be trusted - Trump in power or no.