Sick I'll check back in a few months when the GrapaheneOS phone releases and see if I should get that instead (kind of depressed about the state of Linux ARM laptops tho, Asahi Linux was great but the hardware is EOL now)

Why doesn't Graphene support other phones?

And AOSP is purposefully falling behind

The writing has been on the wall for years now [Article from 2018]

They're working on some Motorola models.

We're headed a dark direction. One reason I find little interest in android, smartphones, pc building, gaming hobby despite being a tech enthusiast.

I’ll be waiting on Motorola’s newest 2027 models for this reason. Google can go to hell.

I'm team graphene despite having returned to the cathedral. they need thousands of dollars of our money to free up their time for the things they prioritize: this is very much a theo de raadt situation. the phone landscape is imperfect, we must take what we can get, whatever is maximum security and maintains the free software principles, projects like Android ports of self-hosted clients must continue to poison the Google narrative. it is the job of the less-skilled to serve as patron for the people who hold up the internet

Ramp up Motorola then.

Something something security only google can provide.

How so?

Maybe Spain.

It's called embrace, extend, extinguish.
Microsoft pioneered it.

Of course GOS team can't maintain an Android fork on their own.

Isn't that what they've been doing?

Like is it a hardware thing, and something other manufacturers cannot have for some reason?

It would be hard fork vs a soft fork. A lot more work. But in principle a project that doesn't need features but stability is viable. See *BSD.

It's a hardware thing, but it'a not something other manufacturers can't have, it's just that they currently don't have it. GrapheneOS is working with Motorola to create phones that satisfy their hardware requirements and they're coming out in 2027.

One can buy low powered devices rp, esp32 low budget pc laptop to play and setting up home servers.

I didn't know this, that's great!
More info here:

Together, Motorola and the GrapheneOS Foundation will work to strengthen smartphone security and collaborate on future devices engineered with GrapheneOS compatibility.

“We are thrilled to be partnering with Motorola to bring GrapheneOS’s industry‑leading privacy and security‑focused mobile operating system to their next-generation smartphone”, said a spokesperson at GrapheneOS. “This collaboration marks a significant milestone in expanding the reach of GrapheneOS, and we applaud Motorola for taking this meaningful step towards advancing mobile security.”

I hope it works out and we start seeing more manufacturers explicitly offering compatibility.

Spain??? Absolutely not. In fact, the new EU "Digital ID App" is going to require having a "Google or Apple verified device" for it to work. They are all in favour of restricting the internet behind IDs. Spanish President openly talked about abolishing anonymity to "protect us". And the opposition is even worse.

Many AOSP apps are dated and Google has its own closed source Google apps.

Proprietary crap phone?

Complacency is stupidity.

In the past we used to say we had functioning regulatory bodies, but they were getting paid for their silence then, and even more now.

Oh no muh decorum.

If they're still open-source...

I honestly see it the opposite way. Graphene is doing their level best to turn Android into iOS with none of the benefits.

They’re doing all the stuff apple did for hardware except they can’t make their own so they’re chasing stuff with the security features of iphones, they’re rewriting the system apps to take advantage of those features (like apple did) but they don’t have the benefit of a cloud data system or oversight of their app marketplace.

I use graphene and ios daily. It’s really interesting how they’re going about all this.

The EU digital act is not Spain's digital act.
Regardless, being pro-Palestine and anti-NATO doesn't necessarily make Sanchez tech-savy.

Its a hardware thing but its also more complicated. Many manufacturers don't some of these features because add android does not require it. Even Google's latest pixel 11 may not have all the security requirements set by grapheneOS. I'd like to see them push for these requires in upstream AOSP. They already have a track record of contributions to upstream AOSP.

If I don't use my phone for two days I'd just shut it off. So no but it seemed so absurd I just it ignored it.

This has always been a thought in the back of my head regarding GrapheneOS and why I never bought into the fan hype around it. Google has always been 100% in control of the door letting these AOSP projects function and they have been slowly closing the door for ages now. It will be fully closed at some point.

We really need a better OS than Android.

When it comes to laptops, I'm personally sticking with x86 until there are faster RISC-V CPUs available that I can daily drive in a laptop.

Even though ARM has much better battery life compared to x86, I'd still just be trading one proprietary architecture for another.

How do we get the average person to care about this? Like okay, as dumb as I am with tech, I probably am more techy than the average layman.

And guess what, they do NOT care about this shit. Most of my non-tech friends still think GrapheneOS is a thing criminals or paranoid schizophrenics use.

They also tend to not care about age verification things. "So what, you show ID at the bar or store to get alcohol, what do I care?"

Like really gamers, how can we make the common person care about this at all? How can we communicate to them it matters and will impact them?

The current ARM chips at least don't seem to have stuff like Intel ME, the integrated GPUs are much better as well especially for running AI models. Power efficiency as well, Intel at least is getting close but still behind. Also memory tagging. The Intel/AMD duopoly is getting old.

When it comes to an ME/PSP analog, there is ARM TrustZone, but each vendor has their own implementation, so whether or not it constantly runs in the background, has full access to system memory, and is completely proprietary is up to each vendor. When it comes to phones and laptops that support cellular connections on the other hand, the integrated baseband, which also has full access to system RAM and is proprietary would be my main concern.

RISC-V has a memory tagging implementation: https://github.com/riscv/riscv-memory-tagging/tree/main

Both AMD and Intel are working together on an x86 memory tagging implementation called ChkTag: https://community.intel.com/t5/Blogs/Tech-Innovation/open-intel/ChkTag-x86-Memory-Safety/post/1721490

AMD iGPUs are hard to beat for things like gaming. IDK much about running AI models, since I don't care much about that kind of stuff.

Power efficiency is really the only thing that ARM has over x86. Also RISC-V theoretically has better power efficiency compared to ARM, though since RISC-V is so new, more advanced implementations would need to be developed first in order to match the performance per watt in a full-fledged desktop-class CPU.

I'm picturing the GrapheneOS branded sliding scale spectrum of criminal to paranoid schizophrenic, built into my personal device features.

Seems like Apple should just stop being a shitty corporation then, all our problems are solved.

Huh?

I was trying to demonstrate a point, IF YOU DID THAT with PostmarketOS the battery would drain like crazy still. In normal use you would need to charge your phone twice a day. (or maybe even 3-4 times, depending on the specific device)

Thank you for reminding me that interacting with online users is a waste of time.

You’re welcome. I’m sure the hills you chose to die on and your pretentiousness will make for great company in your lonesome fantasy world. The difference between dumb elitism and constructive criticism is the usefulness and adaptability. I’m thankful for the work the Graphene devs are doing despite some immaturity displayed. No-one else is filling that gap anywhere near as well. If you go around trying to boycott everything made by people who don’t hold up to your asinine standards you wouldn’t be able to survive. I dare you to take a good look at the workers behind everything you consume.

i use graphene and ios too, but i completely disagree with you.

Can you articulate why?

Can you elaborate why?

Why is forking Android such a non option? I don't get it...