I doubt kids at the peak horny stage of their lives would be happy to be separated like that.

> fascism appeals to the stupidest, most brutish, hierarchy-oriented people in society
> Give young teens a taste

Wow, that does not wrap in thunder.

The true horror is asking the same questions again to the same people 8 years later... and getting the same answers again.

Producing lots of children was also part of Nazi ideology

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(2008_film)

It may be time to watch that one again

Not in boost either. Alas

fake: anon goes to school

gay: separated from girls

The problem is that it didn't carry on further. The beginnings of most ideologies sound fine but it's the reality and the shunning of "the other" where you start to see the horrors.

The history teacher should have read up on blue eyes/brown eyes experiment and copied that one instead: https://appliedhuman.com/social-experiments,/sociology,/1968/2023/11/07/jane-elliott-blue-brown-eyes.html

Yeah, the whole thing is that most of this sounds good until you have to be part of it as it plays out. It just gets worse, and worse, and the people become more, and more, polarized about the situation. The problems with the ideas, which should have been obvious from the beginning, start to take effect in ways that finally start to hurt the people it was proposed to support. Then the system goes into collapse.

The Nazis didn't introduce separate schools for boys and girls, in contrary they started to teach boys and girls together. The separation existed already before the Nazis.

But it's on 4chan, so it must be true.

You are right, my bad.

Oh shit right, this movie exists. One of my teachers played this for us during high school. I was scammed so hard cause the only movie my classmates ever saw that had water polo in it was about nazis 💀

people are more than happy to commit horrors on others.

that's the whole point, you want a well-defined group to be able to blame, torture, and kill. because this groups existence is the 'problem' that is holding back your ideal society from existing.

and every ideology has this. they all need an amorphous boogeyman and as a label to condemn their non-believers.

I liked this one better:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Look_Who's_Back_(film)

Also 4chan, so it must be gay.

Hooray Voyager

Nevermind code block aren't supposed to wrap you can scroll them by swiping. I am the idiot.

Nevermind code block aren't supposed to wrap you can scroll them by swiping. I am the idiot.

The problem is that actually running such an experiment properly and bringing home the conclusion of the horrors of fascism would be grossly unethical and impossible to do. (Some university psychology/sociology courses did similar things in the 1960s, though experimental ethics rules back then were flimsy.)

I know I'm scarred from that roleplaying scenario. We did in middle school too

It's easier to think of Nazis as just evil and incompetent. The uncomfortable truth is that a significant part of their platform was popular, especially in the beginning of their rule. They were also extremely competent early on, it wasn't until Hitler was in full on drug psychosis that things started going down hill. Expecting something the Nazis did, especially early on to be unpopular and a massive red flag is just foolish on the teacher.

It would be better if we focused more on the uncomfortable parts of Nazi Germany. Their militarization efforts pulled them out of global recession faster than everyone else. Jewish segregation was inspired by the US treatment of African Americans. Jesse Owens was treated better in Nazi Germany than in the US despite being a national hero. The eugenics movement was also massively popular in the US and elsewhere. There was a lot of luck involved in the war in Europe going as well as it did, Germany winning wasn't ever really realistic unless the US aided them, but things could have been much worse.

I'm more disturbed by the fact that it does wrap in Voyager.... Ew.

They were also extremely competent early on, it wasn’t until Hitler was in full on drug psychosis that things started going down hill.

In a lot of ways, it's not that they were competent, it's that the more popular parts of their policies (e.g. public spending, job creation programs) were running on borrowed time - the government kind of strong-armed the banks into funding them, and if they were ever going to pay them back, it was through spoils of war. I guess it takes some kind of competency to put that plan into action...

I wonder if Brandon Sanderson had read this when he was writing the Stormlight Archives. The main society seen in it has a caste system based on eye color.

Didn‘t really complete the experiment. None of the horrors of such a system. Wait until one of them didn‘t want the job and wanted to do something else. Straight to a work camp. Or executed. Women forced to stay at home an bang out kids. Etc.

reason it was popular is because they... delivered on a lot of their political promises.

the german economy was in shambles in the 20s and early 30s and they made it boom. people like that.

Why should they get the reference? They are just random kids.

And what happens when you have wiped out that group? Are there other similar examples to look at that didn't get stamped out so quickly and were able to collapse internally instead

"It's the economy stupid" is probably the most applicable statement to how political success happens across all systems and ages.

You make it sound like spoils of war wasn't the main income for Europe for pretty much all of history until then. Colonialism put a little nicer name on it.

After industrialization, selling industrial products was frequently far more profitable than the expensive and uncertain spoils of war. Even colonialism was frequently a net loss for the governments.

And there wasn't really a likely reality where Nazi Germany fought their war in a way that was actually winnable, their overconfidence was only matched by the idiocy of many of their tactic and strategic decisions.

See, and even this could lead into a fantastic lesson about how fascism is really seductive in these vague terms, especially to help clean up a lot of the questions of "well why didn't people fight back" that teens have when learning about Italy and Germany pre-WWII.

Then they all stood up, looked to the flag and pledged allegiance under god.

and yet, despite all the 'genius' of our political consultant class, they can't seem to understand that. because they are so blinded by 'social issues', at least in the USA.

and when candidates focus on economic issues and less on social ones... they do way better at the polls and have better approval ratings... especially when their policies make a positive and visible economic impact...

but then again, in USA at least, our political class is so totally detached from economic reality of the voter, so i suppose it's inevitable, really.

To be fair learning to farm and do military shit sounds way funner than the actual crap you're doing throughout most of school.

You're right in what you say but it's not relevant to this discussion. Colonialism is a very different MO than attacking neighboring countries.

Learning to do military shit was way less fun than school. A not inconsiderable amount of time is spent doing domestic chores. The rest of the time is spent sitting in class.

But a 14 year old isn't going to know that. They'd be thinking about shooting guns and doing obstacles and driving tanks around and shit like that.

Wow you guys actually did it? I could definitely imagine this would fuck with a middle schoolers mind

hindsight is easy.

i can look back on every thing that happened to me in the past and it's clear what was wrong. but when you are living through it, you can't see that. it was not obvious and clear, it was confusing and I did the best that I could with the limited information I had, nobody is omniscient. but when we look back on the past it seems 'so obvious' because we have... way more information and experience and context than when have in the moment, especially the time to take all that info and process it.

and it's stupidly arrogant to assume some average person of limited means and intelligence could see how 'evil' things around them were. only a minority of the population is looking at some big picture of what their government is doing, most folks just care about food on their table and are totally consumed by day to day life.

admitting we are limited beings that make mistakes or just are totally blind to horrible things... is painful and scary.

And everyone clapped

Yah but kids are to dumb to know that yet

It's a matter of distance really. Germany raiding France or Brazil isn't functionally different.

The sad truth is, that even a percentage of the class could have it really good under the system. Just an arbitrary group would disappear (let's say all names starting with L).
If one overlooked the horror the system can still be popular.

The lesson would be that popular is not moral.