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schizoidman
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schizoidman@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-18 |
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scutiger
lemmy.world
scutiger@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
I don't know anything about batteries. Would you need specific compatible batteries to use higher-speed chargers? 2.2MW seems like a lot of juice to shove into a battery if it's unable to charge that quickly. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
JFC...2.2MW in 4 minutes is a massive amount of power to short to ground when things go wrong. |
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grue
lemmy.world
grue@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-13 |
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DoubleDongle
lemmy.world
DoubleDongle@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-02-23 |
I don't know anything about batteries. Would you need specific compatible batteries to use higher-speed chargers? 2.2MW seems like a lot of juice to shove into a battery if it's unable to charge that quickly.
Unless they're actually presenting a "revolutionary new battery" that can withstand routine five-minute charging, assume they're cooking batteries for show. China does not have a great reputation for academic honesty. |
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Hiro8811
lemmy.world
Hiro8811@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-11-16 |
JFC...2.2MW in 4 minutes is a massive amount of power to short to ground when things go wrong.
Fireworks |
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cynar
lemmy.world
cynar@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-17 |
JFC...2.2MW in 4 minutes is a massive amount of power to short to ground when things go wrong.
FYI, it's the equivalent of 15L of petrol. A lot of energy, but not absurd levels. |
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cynar
lemmy.world
cynar@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-17 |
I don't know anything about batteries. Would you need specific compatible batteries to use higher-speed chargers? 2.2MW seems like a lot of juice to shove into a battery if it's unable to charge that quickly.
It is a lot. The key problem is heat. A properly designed battery can handle those short of values, for a short time. It needs an active cooling system, however. Even then, you wouldn't want to do it regularly. It will significantly lower the battery lifespan, on EV car batteries. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
FYI, it's the equivalent of 15L of petrol. A lot of energy, but not absurd levels.
15L of petrol is quite the bomb, but petrol takes time to burn, while a short is nanoseconds. |
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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca Joined: 2025-03-07 |
It is a lot. The key problem is heat. A properly designed battery can handle those short of values, for a short time. It needs an active cooling system, however. Even then, you wouldn't want to do it regularly. It will significantly lower the battery lifespan, on EV car batteries.
the big question is why. You can't fill any car with gas in 4 minutes. |
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scutiger
lemmy.world
scutiger@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-12 |
the big question is why. You can't fill any car with gas in 4 minutes.
4 minutes seems like plenty of time for a gas car, but it seems very fast for a battery. |
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sparkyshocks
lemmy.zip
sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-03-22 |
FYI, it's the equivalent of 15L of petrol. A lot of energy, but not absurd levels.
We don't actually know for sure how much energy, but it's less than that. We know that peak power is 2.2 MW and that the overall charging time is 4 minutes, but don't actually know how much energy that is, because charging power slows down as the battery approaches full charge. We'll have to wait for the announcement to tell. |
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Clocks [She/They]
lemmy.ml
doomsdayrs@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-08-06 |
Once China has fusion down, and starts miniaturizing it. Gosh they're going to go crazy with it. Who knows, 1 second charge time as a fusion reactor dumps its full output into your mortal car battery. |
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grue
lemmy.world
grue@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-13 |
the big question is why. You can't fill any car with gas in 4 minutes.
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Nocklusamigos
lemmy.world
liuther9@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-09-15 |
FYI, it's the equivalent of 15L of petrol. A lot of energy, but not absurd levels.
Explosions are not slow release of energy |
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Kairos
lemmy.today
LodeMike@lemmy.today Joined: 2023-12-26 |
JFC...2.2MW in 4 minutes is a massive amount of power to short to ground when things go wrong.
Do they mean MWh? |
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ChaoticNeutralCzech
feddit.org
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.orgJoined: 2024-06-23 |
You can do this with rule-based systems. I don't want a probabilistic engine managing my big expensive battery. Also, making it seem like AI provides power when it's literally the opposite... Cringe |
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ChaoticNeutralCzech
feddit.org
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.orgJoined: 2024-06-23 |
Do they mean MWh?
A constant 2.2 MW delivers 145 kWh in 4 minutes. Likely less because the battery needs to be charged in constant-voltage mode from some point, limiting its own current, or a temperature regulator kicks in, preventing continuous peak power flow. |
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Kairos
lemmy.today
LodeMike@lemmy.today Joined: 2023-12-26 |
A constant 2.2 MW delivers 145 kWh in 4 minutes. Likely less because the battery needs to be charged in constant-voltage mode from some point, limiting its own current, or a temperature regulator kicks in, preventing continuous peak power flow.
Ah. |
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floquant
lemmy.dbzer0.com
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-05-31 |
Do they mean MWh?
No |
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Hanrahan
slrpnk.net
hanrahan@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-03-14 |
the big question is why. You can't fill any car with gas in 4 minutes.
for most people, zero reasons. I plug mine in when I'm home It's full when i go to use it and I run a 3kW charger at home.
its mostly to impress non EV owners, in much of the world that's an ever shirking %. |
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UnityDevice
lemmy.zip
UnityDevice@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-01-26 |
Ah.
No, Wh. |
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HerbGrower
slrpnk.net
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net Joined: 2026-07-09 |
Do they mean MWh?
No, cut out "in 4 minutes" and it makes more sense. 2.2MW shorting to ground. Depends on what it shorts through. Highly resistant wire then not much, low resistant very thin wire then I think it would just pop like a fuse very quickly. I presume its a fairly normal voltage anyway, or at least not something that can jump a significant distance. Now if it shorts through you and doesn't cut out, have fun because it can deliver a massive current and keep going. |
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HerbGrower
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HerbGrower@slrpnk.net Joined: 2026-07-09 |
15L of petrol is quite the bomb, but petrol takes time to burn, while a short is nanoseconds.
A short on the charger would be 2.2MW, not the entire battery detonating at once - which is usually more of a rapid ignition than an explosion, or at the very least you don't get the entire stored energy going off at once. Also even depleted there is a lot of energy from the materials that make up the battery. 2.2MW is a rate, not a quantity of energy. Petrol is about 34MJ/L. 2.2MW is comparable to burning 64mL/second of petrol. |
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HerbGrower
slrpnk.net
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net Joined: 2026-07-09 |
the big question is why. You can't fill any car with gas in 4 minutes.
Are you using a straw to fill up your tank? It takes seconds, not minutes, for most cars. Most of the time taken at a petrol station is walking over to pay. |
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8uurg
lemmy.world
8uurg@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-24 |
The mention of AI seems superfluous, but seems related to Geely’s charging algorithm. Supposedly this “smart charging” technology will help to manage battery temperatures and longevity. We’ve seen claims that this includes 3,500 charge/discharge cycles “with limited degradation.” You can do this with rule-based systems. I don't want a probabilistic engine managing my big expensive battery. Also...
The AI here probably is a predetermined set of rules, much like how AI in games is often is just following a predefined set of rules. Maybe some optimization ('machine learning') is involved with determining some charging curve or parameters. But I doubt an LLM or other generative model is involved. |
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ChaoticNeutralCzech
feddit.org
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.orgJoined: 2024-06-23 |
The AI here probably is a predetermined set of rules, much like how AI in games is often is just following a predefined set of rules. Maybe some optimization ('machine learning') is involved with determining some charging curve or parameters. But I doubt an LLM or other generative model is involved.
I know, I took a mandatory university course on AI basics... Still cringe |
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