Are they? I've been seeing that account posting for quite a while.

Brother, who are thou?

Longer. Haven't looked back

All default subreddits are karma farms because bots need to farm certain karma level and account age before they can be used for propaganda and/or astroturfing.

Didn't realize just how many posts that bot had. Blocked.

So I'm not looking for a fight, but can we have a friendly talk about the value of repost bots in the context of this medium? I just feel like yapping, so feel free to ignore if no.

Lemmy shares a format with Reddit - they're feed aggregators. Their value proposition is having everything in one place so a community can pass judgment on it all. That's why people hate reposts and bad faith actors, adverse or opaque sorting algorithms, and agenda-driven moderators - they directly devalue the medium. We tend to like original content, genuine sentiments and human connections, and relevant posts because those directly support the inherent value of a feed aggregator.

I'm not convinced either way about repost bots, yet. They're clearly not genuine or original, and too many of them will tend to obscure - you know what? I got there in the end I see it now.

I could still see the value in a carefully chosen, rate-limited bot that reposts with the blessing of the moderators, but the rate and curation are important, and the rate has to take into account the number of other communities using them versus the number of active users, so it's not trivial to decide what the right amount would be.

I hate all of them, but I hate the ones not marked as bots more than those that are marked.

ooh! it's been a while since I got to do a username checks out

It's like William Shakespear and Hulk Hogan had a word baby, that grew up into that question.

Part of the issue IMO is that so many of our Lemmy communities are just copies of subreddits. The bot creators see a subreddit shaped hole so of course they want to fuck it. Having communities with new original themes might help deter the bots, and the natural content might be more interesting too!

FIGHT!

The main issue for small subs can be solved with pinned threads.

The whole, where do I go to eat this here or what restaurant is good for this food or who does this kind of work locally or look at what I ate at so and so restaurant and you probably can imagine the theme here. Put into one post and ban whoever advertises. No need to repost pinned threads.

FINNISH HYMN

I think negative interaction is a good start. There's a reason people get their posts deleted, shadow banned, or just banned.

Pinned threads solve for perpetual topics within (specific) communities sure, but the main area where too many repost bots will do the most harm if left unchecked is when cruising all or local. People who sort by new are the lifeblood of a feed's (federated) community, and if there's not enough of them to boost the most valuable signals, the (federated) community won't grow and might even shrink.

It's only a month old.

If they don’t use reddit how do they know is a repost?

Why would they care? If it's useful stuff getting posted that's okay. If it's just a spammer flooding everything with low quality stuff treat them accordingly. The fact that the same posts exist on reddit is entirely irrelevant.

Feels more like 5 weeks.

Forget, but never forgive.

Working on it!

The worst part is the lack of transparency and credit to the actual authors. Many of the reposts are personal to the OOP, and it feels extra scummy.

I mean... 1 or 2 new accounts to block every month or so is hardly onerous. It's not like there's a new one every day. I don't get the vocal hate.

He's skating by on it being "technically allowed". Also created his own comm to do it after getting shouted out of most places. And he's making new alts every week. It's going to take having instance owners on board with spacing the jackass

That shit do be fucking annoying.

An no one ever treats them as posts so there is no comments or community to it. Just slop basically

Oh, I see I cut the head off of a Hydra.

Good! I hope that place turns into Satans Maggoty Cum Fart!

A day ago he reposted a meme about a doctor raping a woman because her credit card was declined and she couldnt pay for care.

Thats VILE.

In addition to the slimy pretending that his posts are organic traffic by not just marking his account as a bot, he is also importing the culture of casual sexism from reddit to the threadiverse.

We need a way to scan Lemmy posts for reposts from Reddit, to mark and block them all entirely

Because the culture is different and the crossposts are indiscriminate. A day ago he crossposted a meme about a woman being raped by her doctor after her credit card was declined, so she couldnt afford care.

Also because its disingenuous to crosspost things like "I had this experience!" without labeling it and have people engage with you earnestly because theyre here to be social, not knowing the title of the post is just an outright lie. That doesnt sit well to a lot of people and makes this space feel less human and sincere- one of the most meaningful attributes of the fediverse if you ask me.

Right, but the new-person-experience will royally suck because they don't come pre-blocked. I actively try not to block accounts, to keep the view as default as possible.

enshittification is 100% complete

Unfortunately they don't create the same engagement as a natural post. No one wants to comment on a wall of bot posts with no human involved. All it does is kill actual community engagement. Lemmy and reddit are not just link aggregators, they are forums for discussion, with humans.

People whined and cried about the lack of content on Lemmy but never posted anything (including me btw). Now we're going to whine and cry because bots are solving that problem?

Lemmy is basically identical to reddit in so many ways, and it looks like incessantly whiny commenters is one of them. The bots keep getting engagement from users so all this complaining means nothing.

The cultures of Lemmy and Reddit are 100% identical, right down to the weirdly entitled and aggressive commenters

He's like 14 or at least has the brain of one. I hate the sexist shit he always posts. Let's keep 4chan shit like that on 4chan

📡📡📡 Lazy-ass poster with dumb emoji titles

the new-person-experience will royally suck because they don't come pre-blocked

Doesn't that assume that the new person will hate said content? I'm not taking that as a given myself, personally.

Given that I find the culture of reddit miserable and the culture of the threadiverse generally much more human, social, and pleasant (albeit with the added flavor of the specific social dysfunction of chronically online leftists) I can't say I agree

And if the implication of your comment (totally fine if its not and you mean the point more broadly, subtext is hard over the internet) is that I'm being weirdly entitled and aggressive because I take issue with jokes about being raped because you can't afford medical care, I think that reflects a lot more poorly on you than on any aggressive or entitled vibes I may be giving

Time2lose is almost definitely u/sanitation after he got torn apart in his "everyone who doesn't like my repost bot is wrong" post. They're using the same software that trunctates post titles. They're both clearly Russian and have made some anti-ukraine comments.

And not to get all conspiratorial but it is a biiit suspicious that a Russian bot is spamming tabloids to the US news communities when we're approaching an important election. At the very least, it's annoying as fuck.

I don't think the user you're talking about in the top post is the same, though. Different posting styles, totally different content. I also don't think it's the same person as the (thankfully dead) SteamAndEpic account, either, though that one was also Russian. Just a lazy spammer this time.

Wholly agreed with your conclusion, though.

[Edit] I also don't think ooli is the same user as oldman for similar reasons

This is a lemmy problem.

You do not understand the issue. This is a bot reposting content to lemmy.

They actively discourage new users, and engagement.

an internet problem

Bots are not "solving that problem" because the lack of posts was never really the problem in the first place. The problem was lack of anything to engage with. Bot posts do nothing for engagement. Replying to their posts is just talking into the wind.

We to want to have conversations with real people; to know that when we insult the poster's mother that we're causing real, lasting harm to a flesh and blood person.

Repost bots discourage new users and kill engagement.

Suppose you're into trampolines but there's no community for that here. You create one, and to kick start it you get a repost bot to repost from the other place.

Over the coming weeks a few fediverse users see your community but see that they're all reposts with no comments, there's nothing to really engage with there, so no one does.

Next month someone signs up to the fediverse and joins a few special interest communities. /c/sports, /c/gymnastics, and /c/trampolines. There might actually be real posts and discussions in /c/sports, but that new users feed is overrun with reposts in /c/trampolines. It's a very clear signal that there's no content here, all the content is on reddit.

If you actually want a community, then you can read about trampolines on the other site, and manually repost things yourself as a human.

Fair point, but if there's no engagement on those posts, it's just a repost site like all the others, not a community.

I hate those so much!

Whilst i hate reddit, It would be great flair system that labels say for example Reddit, Anime, Gardening and you could block by flair.

If that were true, there wasn't a lack of anything to engage to begin with. Therefore your premise must be wrong. I like the bots, they should be marked as a bot and you should just ban them on a personal and sub level. Then all of you annoyed by them just ignore them and everyone else sees content they might engage with, without the need for reddit.

I use browser so don't get to see the little robot icon. Looking forward to a fix.

I'd love a lemmy client that next to a username, it gives their post to comment ratio. That tends to give me a solid feel. If they don't comment on their own posts ever, then they are not here to discuss.