Link: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-sets-out-plan-to-phase-out-fossil-fuels-by-2045/a-79404028

"German Environment Minister Carsten Schneider told the UN General Assembly on Wednesday that the plan "combines independence, affordability and climate protection.........It is not just extreme weather events around the world that demonstrate how urgently we need to do more to protect the climate," he said. "If the situation in the Strait of Hormuz determines whether people can still afford their daily commute to work, that is not a good state of affairs."

If there's been an upside to the Middle East War, it's that it's been a giant advertisement for renewable energy. Not just cheaper, cleaner, & better, crucially it means energy-independence, too.

Smart move by Germany. Their industrial and manufacturing base is getting clobbered by China because they stuck with the dying fossil fuel paradigm for too long. Every other EU nation has committed to ending fossil fuel use, hopefully this further accelerates their efforts, too.

Germany sets out plan to phase out fossil fuels by 2045

Meanwhile in Canada.... .MOAR PIPELINES!

Are they talking about the US-Israel war in the middle east?

Me: *checks watch* . . . Uh, yeah, now is . . . now is good. I mean. Yeah.

As usual for the last 40 years

Donald Trump the Climate Stalinist

To whom? Aquaman?

He's too busy buying houses.

Wait a second, my utility company was telling me the same thing 20 years ago. I wonder if their voluntary and toothless promises made a difference?

** checks current energy mix ** Nope, they still only allocate green energy as legally required, since they can still build (and earn rate of return on) more fossil fuel infrastructure. Surely they wouldn't lie twice?

I don't understand your comment.

I'm referring to Mark Carney, Canada's prime minister, and his plans to increase oil production and plans to build pipelines across the country to deliver oil to Asia and Europe when everybody's already planning their transition away from fossil fuels. Canada and the U.S. are way behind and China is way ahead of the curve. Europe is somewhere in the middle. It's only a matter of time.

Canada should be investing in green energy alternatives, but we got this MAGAt of a premier in Alberta who wants her province to become the 51st state so she can go eat the shit out of Donny's diaper-wearing ass.

plans to build pipelines across the country to deliver oil to Asia and Europe

Europe is accelerating it's fossil fuel exodus. Asia has already trailblazed alternatives.

By the time these pipelines, and terminals, and refineries are completed how much of a fossil fuel economy will be left?

Canada should be investing in green energy alternatives, but we got this MAGAt of a premier in Alberta who wants her province to become the 51st state so she can go eat the shit out of Donny’s diaper-wearing ass.

Sure. But that's not the problem I'm seeing with this plan.

Bullllshit.

Schneider, of the center-left Social Democratic Party,

CDU energy minister, and with CDU head of state, have campaigned/said they are going the other way. Is Schneider speaking for a unified government here? Backed up by rest of cabinet?

It's been long apparent to anyone not in a oil/car executive's pay that building your national infrastructure around imported oil is a huge national security danger. Not just a risk, but a known event that you're ensuring will take out that nation once the gas stops flowing.

I feel the CDU is full of shit in many things, but if they could finally get behind moving to rewables across the board by rightfully positioning it as the national defense strategy it is, then get moving.

Europe is accelerating it’s fossil fuel exodus. Asia has already trailblazed alternatives.

By the time these pipelines, and terminals, and refineries are completed how much of a fossil fuel economy will be left?

That's what I'm saying. It's pointless. Injecting money into these projets will ruin Canada's economy essentially.

But you can switch to a 100 % renewables utility company tho and vote with your wallet

They just pumped another 2,5 billion euros into making petrol at the pump cheaper for everyone... Surely a government truly commited to this energy transition would have invested those 2,5 billions elsewhere ay

The what? Oh the Epstein Files War!

It's a short term solution to help poor people who are most affected by rising fuel costs. Would it be better to invest that money in something else? Probably, but people need help, and ignoring them just punishes the wrong people.

"Just another 20 years haha guys I swear"

"Now"? No no no, we can't do "now", please be patient and wait another 20 years

Yeah but its a bad solution here aswell. Since the fossil Industry just ups their profits from it and they don't have a cap on the price. So its basically just tax money gifted, that got cut from social funding.

Giesskanne is the dumbest way possible to do this. Yes, some people need support now, I agree. Certain professions, certain kinds of cars. But the way they do this now I am de facto financing the gassing up of many very inefficient cars owned by people do not care about climate and do not need the discount because they have/earn plenty anyway. It would be a perfect time to introduces tempolimit on autobahn, that would save a large amount of petrol (and many other positive side effects) and as we know a lower demand lowers the price of scarce products. What they do now is quite the opposite of trying to reach 100 % renewable in 20 years... It is a very bad policy decision in every single way imaginable, for climate, for tax payers and the health of the public budget, for the future of the economy: on every single level this is a bad policy.

The thing is that it also helps people who don't need it and most of all it helps the fossil fuel industry. So it really just is a subsidy for fossil fuel. They could have supported poor people with more targeted solutions.

They provided an actual roadmap, which presumably has steps with deadlines earlier than 2045. If anyone can read German, please let me know what the roadmap says.

they have an english version of the roadmap. If you read it, can you give a tldr?

Internet is a series of tubes, just use the existing cable to the EU for oil as well as Internet

Paying more for the same energy mix (because you can’t filter electricity) seems a bit pointless?

Your choice of supplier influences which kinds of projects get financed more easily.

Can’t the people who need it the most take the bus?

What’s a tempo limit? A limit on how many beats per minute a song can have?

In my state, I've tried to confirm that they can't count what you voluntary choose as green energy, as also counting under their mandatory green quota.

Other states are different where you have more than one power company. My state doesn't have that, just green washing.

if they give a tldr can you give a one sentence judgement.

It's not only about transport of themselves, food prices are increasing, and have been since covid.

The people who are affacted most by food prices are also the people living in low cost of living areas, where the salaries are also the lowest, and you're not going to find a lot of busses in the countryside.

"Yes Mom I'll clean my room, but first let me trash it for another 20 years, then I'll hire a crew with your money to rebuild the house."

Should've used UNLIMITED POWER (nuclear)

Germany's Fossil Fuel Transition Roadmap (Sept 2026):

• Legally bound to cut emissions 65% by 2030, 88% by 2040, net-zero by 2045 (Federal Climate Action Act). Already at ~48% cut since 1990, while GDP grew ~48% over the same period.
• Fossil fuels still 65% of final energy consumption; Germany imports ~98% of its oil, ~95% of gas, 100% of hard coal; costing ~€76bn/year.
• Renewables hit 55% of gross electricity consumption in 2025, targeting 80% by 2030. Coal power must end by 2038 (possibly 2035).
• 2025 was the first year heat pumps outsold gas boilers in Germany (48% market share).
• EVs were 32% of new car registrations in Aug 2026; EU mandates 100% by 2035.
• New gas/oil heating systems installed after July 2026 must phase in carbon-neutral fuel blends starting 2029.
  2026 Climate Action Programme: 67 measures projected to cut ~27 million tonnes CO2 and reduce gas/petrol imports significantly by 2030.
• Internationally: Germany's spent ~€11.8bn on climate finance in 2024, backs Just Energy Transition Partnerships (South Africa, Indonesia, Vietnam, Senegal), and quit the Energy Charter Treaty in 2023 over it undermining coal phase-out.

Source: German Federal Ministry for the Environment, "Germany's Roadmap for Transitioning Away from Fossil Fuels" (Sept 2026).

Speed limit

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You guys have the option to switch utility companies?...

We're a monopoly here. To change companies you have to physically move.

I mean, you joke but...

Sending power and communication concurrently is more an engineering problem with cost issues than an impossibility.

Go find a bus when you must clock in at 5am.

Yes we do. I think it's EU regulation. There is a "base company" responsible for the network in a region and they are often also a producer/supplier to consumers themselves. But then there are many (dozens per region) other suppliers you can buy your power from. And they both sell power to consumers and they build power plants. My supplier (and a few others in the region) only invest in solar, wind, water, and only in the own region. At times when they need to sell more electricity to consumers than they produce with their own plants, they of course are actually selling dirty electricity, but they will still only invest in clean renewables themselves for production so it's still the better choice.

Yes... And no. It all still comes through AEP. However, you can choose your supplier.

The article is mostly about petrol for cars, it briefly mentions reliance on gas (for electricity). Do germans have gas connections to heat their house and cook?

Should've used UNLIMITED POWER (nuclear)

And I thought the NUCLEAR trollbots couldn’t get any dumber. I was wrong

A country could easily become carbon neutral by killing all of its citizens.

But you wouldn't advocate for that, because while it would succeed in the semantics it would fail in the pragmatics.

The citizens have to be able to survive the transition, bro.

The ironing is delicious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out#Germany

Do germans have gas connections to heat their house and cook?

Yes

Though I assume that this is also being phased out?

That is kind of a secondary,natural effect, I guess. Basically most of the new heating systems installed are heat pumps, because those make more sense economically. So the gas delivery network will get more expensive with dwindling users, making gas prices rise even quicker than the resource price itself.