RetroFed Forum
Your home away from modern life.
Chemists struggle to ditch hazardous solvents — even after decades of ‘green’ efforts
Post Reply
AuthorMessage
Orwi programming.dev Orwi@programming.dev
Joined: 2026-09-04
Quote

44   Original
disorderly lemmy.world disorderly@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-02-27
#2 · Quote Reply

I'm not remotely surprised, nor am I particularly impressed by the methodology of this study. DCM remains popular because it's cheap and has great properties as an organic solvent (not flammable, low polarity, low boiling point). Really the only thing that isn't great about it is that it's derived from petroleum and carries a shit load of chlorine.

Without strong incentives to move, like a regulatory tax, where's the financial incentive to find greener alternatives in reactions where "do it in DCM" has been the canonical answer for a hundred years?

10
fullsquare awful.systems fullsquare@awful.systems
Joined: 2025-03-31
#3 · (edited) Quote Reply

I'm not remotely surprised, nor am I particularly impressed by the methodology of this study. DCM remains popular because it's cheap and has great properties as an organic solvent (not flammable, low polarity, low boiling point). Really the only thing that isn't great about it is that it's derived from petroleum and carries a shit load of chlorine. Without strong incentives to move, like a regu...

DCM is also about the only good solvent left that is also resistant to lewis acids. I think that some people were pushing for benzotrifluoride as a replacement, but it just straight up doesn't work as well where i tried it

Tbf before "do it in DCM" was "do it in CCL4" or "do it in benzene", DCM just works without nuking operator's liver

Lots of these new green solvents are also annoyingly polar so perhaps they can be used as replacements of other polar solvents but not anything else. I'm not using cyrene, fuck that

TFA is used because it works and is shelf-stable. Replacements like HCl in ether or ethyl acetate are bitch to make and when these can be bought, they have to be refrigerated all the way. Straight up not worth the effort on small scale

7
bacon_pdp lemmy.world bacon_pdp@lemmy.world
Joined: 2024-01-02
#4 · Quote Reply

They don’t have to ditch them; we just need to make energy cheap enough to properly recycle them.

1
Wildmimic anarchist.nexus Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus
Joined: 2025-09-05
#5 · Quote Reply

DCM is also about the only good solvent left that is also resistant to lewis acids. I think that some people were pushing for benzotrifluoride as a replacement, but it just straight up doesn't work as well where i tried it Tbf before "do it in DCM" was "do it in CCL4" or "do it in benzene", DCM just works without nuking operator's liver Lots of these new green solvents are also annoyingly polar...

I fully agree. My personal experience with chemistry tells me that these people are not known for using these solvents out of spite, they use what works because they have specific properties and minimize personal risks when working in a lab, especially in an small-scale experimental setting where the used volumes of solvents are limited and changing them might bite into the sometimes meager amount of product you might get out of a reaction.

If everything goes well and you can replace the solvent for a greener substitute in an industrial scale process while still getting acceptable efficiency, i don't think any chemist would disagree to switch. That they still use these solvents simply shows that some properties aren't easily replicated.

1
fullsquare awful.systems fullsquare@awful.systems
Joined: 2025-03-31
#6 · Quote Reply

They don’t have to ditch them; we just need to make energy cheap enough to properly recycle them.

onsite solvent recycling is a thing, what can't be recycled can be burned for energy. chlorinated solvents require extra energy input because they're less flammable, and extra corrosion resistance is required in equipment used for that

1
Post Reply
Back to top