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Arthur Besse
lemmy.ml
cypherpunks@lemmy.mlJoined: 2022-01-17 |
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Arthur Besse
lemmy.ml
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RustyNova
lemmy.world
RustyNova@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-11-24 |
Debian problems I guess |
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eksb
programming.dev
eksb@programming.devJoined: 2023-07-25 |
For the stable distribution (trixie), these problems have been fixed in version 6.12.111-1. Debian problems I guess
They are not Debian-specific. |
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slazer2au
lemmy.world
slazer2au@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-30 |
But how many of those are actual problems though? |
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Arthur Besse
lemmy.ml
cypherpunks@lemmy.mlJoined: 2022-01-17 |
For the stable distribution (trixie), these problems have been fixed in version 6.12.111-1. Debian problems I guess
Not really; the Linux kernel has had 8500 CVEs so far this year (according to this). Most of them aren't actually known to be definitely-exploitable security bugs, but some are. You can read more about how Linux issues CVEs from this post on Greg Kroah-Hartman's website: Linux CVEs, more than you ever wanted to know (and/or watch one of his talks on the subject which is linked from there). See also this article from July: Linux kernel team publishes 432 CVEs in two days: Sunday-to-Monday onslaught fuels speculation over AI-assisted bug reports. |
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truthfultemporarily
feddit.org
truthfultemporarily@feddit.org Joined: 2025-02-05 |
But how many of those are actual problems though?
To add, pretty much any kernel bug gets a CVE because everything wrong in the kernel could theoretically be abused. |
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truthfultemporarily
feddit.org
truthfultemporarily@feddit.org Joined: 2025-02-05 |
Honestly, great! More bugs found, more bugs fixed, better system for everyone. |
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ElectricVocalist
jlai.lu
Mubelotix@jlai.luJoined: 2023-07-02 |
Israel and the NSA must be sad |
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slazer2au
lemmy.world
slazer2au@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-30 |
To add, pretty much any kernel bug gets a CVE because everything wrong in the kernel could theoretically be abused.
But there is a difference between an unauthenticated bug and a bug requiring an authenticated user getting some deserialised data. |
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AnAmericanPotato
programming.dev
AnAmericanPotato@programming.dev Joined: 2024-05-14 |
But how many of those are actual problems though?
Most of them are just crashing bugs. Worth fixing but you don't need to panic. If anyone exploits them, then A) you'll know about it, and B) they won't get away with anything sensitive. |
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truthfultemporarily
feddit.org
truthfultemporarily@feddit.org Joined: 2025-02-05 |
But there is a difference between an unauthenticated bug and a bug requiring an authenticated user getting some deserialised data.
Yes, hence why you would have to check the CVSS of all of those. |
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Ooops
feddit.org
Ooops@feddit.orgJoined: 2024-07-06 |
They are not Debian-specific.
But still listing year's old vulnerabilities that got fixed long ago because they are still supporting ancient stuff like 5.10LTS is Debian-specific. |
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DonutsRMeh
lemmy.world
DonutsRMeh@lemmy.worldJoined: 2025-03-13 |
All with AI |
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Agent641
lemmy.world
Agent641@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-12 |
All with AI
As in discovered by an AI? |
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Arthur Besse
lemmy.ml
cypherpunks@lemmy.mlJoined: 2022-01-17 |
But still listing year's old vulnerabilities that got fixed long ago because they are still supporting ancient stuff like 5.10LTS is Debian-specific.
The advisory this meme is about only relates to the 6.12 kernel in Debian 13 "trixie" (Debian's current stable release), and 1,295 of these 1,313 CVEs are from 2026. Linux 6.12 is the SLTS ("super long-term support") release from 2024, so the Linux Foundation's Civil Infrastructure Platform plans to continue backporting security fixes to it until 2035. Debian stopped supporting Debian 11 "bullseye" (the one with a 5.10 kernel) in August, but that kernel is also an SLTS which CIP plans to support until 2031. So, no, continuing support for these kernels is not something Debian-specific. Here are the versions of linux-image-amd64 in Debian currently:
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bobtimus_prime
feddit.org
bobtimus_prime@feddit.org Joined: 2024-06-22 |
Most of them are just crashing bugs. Worth fixing but you don't need to panic. If anyone exploits them, then A) you'll know about it, and B) they won't get away with anything sensitive.
No need to panic? Tell that the kernel! :D |
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kurmudgeon
lemmy.world
kurmudgeon@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-12 |
If the PS5 is based off of Linux, and some of these vulnerabilities tested, don't impact the PS5 in any way, does that mean technically Sony could get sued for not recontributing code back to the Linux projects? I mean, it means they fixed the issues on the PS5 but didn't contribute it back right? |
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CaptainBasculin
lemmy.dbzer0.com
CaptainBasculin@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2026-01-17 |
If the PS5 is based off of Linux, and some of these vulnerabilities tested, don't impact the PS5 in any way, does that mean technically Sony could get sued for not recontributing code back to the Linux projects? I mean, it means they fixed the issues on the PS5 but didn't contribute it back right?
I'm pretty sure PS5 is based off of BSD, whose license pretty much translates in corporate world to do whatever the fuck you want with it. |
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Arthur Besse
lemmy.ml
cypherpunks@lemmy.mlJoined: 2022-01-17 |
If the PS5 is based off of Linux, and some of these vulnerabilities tested, don't impact the PS5 in any way, does that mean technically Sony could get sued for not recontributing code back to the Linux projects? I mean, it means they fixed the issues on the PS5 but didn't contribute it back right?
I don't think it is though? After a few seconds searching I don't see anything conclusive but PS4's OS was based on FreeBSD so I would guess PS5's probably is also. (I see that if you have a PS5 with old enough firmware you can put Linux on it yourself...) Sony does have some experience shipping Linux-based products though (probably first with Linux for PS2 in 2002, and more recently various android devices) and surely knows how to comply with the GPL. |
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Arthur Besse
lemmy.ml
cypherpunks@lemmy.mlJoined: 2022-01-17 |
As in discovered by an AI?
Yes, probably not all but certainly most bugs being found now are. |
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username_1
discuss.tchncs.de
username_1@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2026-06-01 |
Less than one and a half? Not a big deal. |
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kurmudgeon
lemmy.world
kurmudgeon@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-12 |
If the PS5 is based off of Linux I don't think it is though? After a few seconds searching I don't see anything conclusive but PS4's OS was based on FreeBSD so I would guess PS5's probably is also. (I see that if you have a PS5 with old enough firmware you can put Linux on it yourself...) Sony does have some experience shipping Linux-based products though (probably first with Linux for PS2 in 2...
Ah, you're right. It is BSD. Good to know. I was simply posing a hypothetical though, I always wondered about things like this |
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kurmudgeon
lemmy.world
kurmudgeon@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-12 |
I'm pretty sure PS5 is based off of BSD, whose license pretty much translates in corporate world to do whatever the fuck you want with it.
You're right, this does seem to be the case. Good to know. |
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carrylex
lemmy.world
carrylex@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-04-05 |
Hmm yes "vulnerabilities". My personal highlight: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/cve-2026-43073
Credits: https://lemmy.world/comment/26110292 |
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carrylex
lemmy.world
carrylex@lemmy.worldJoined: 2024-04-05 |
If the PS5 is based off of Linux, and some of these vulnerabilities tested, don't impact the PS5 in any way, does that mean technically Sony could get sued for not recontributing code back to the Linux projects? I mean, it means they fixed the issues on the PS5 but didn't contribute it back right?
No. Let's assume someone ships the Linux kernel in a device and the kernel has a vulnerability in some obscure subsystem (e.g. AFS) that is never used by the device. |
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festnt
sh.itjust.works
festnt@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2024-04-18 |
1,313 Less than one and a half? Not a big deal.
most countries (i think) use ',' for separating every 3 numbers instead of '.', which is used for separating decimals from whole numbers |
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luciferofastora
feddit.org
luciferofastora@feddit.org Joined: 2025-02-07 |
most countries (i think) use ',' for separating every 3 numbers instead of '.', which is used for separating decimals from whole numbers
Pretty sure the person you responded to knows that and is joking, since you can hardly have a fraction of a CVE. Germany (where their instance is hosted) uses comma for decimal separators, so that joke is pretty close at hand. |
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username_1
discuss.tchncs.de
username_1@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2026-06-01 |
most countries (i think) use ',' for separating every 3 numbers instead of '.', which is used for separating decimals from whole numbers
Actually I am sure otherwise. I believe comma is more widespread per country (dot might be more widespread by populace due to China, though) |
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Arthur Besse
lemmy.ml
cypherpunks@lemmy.mlJoined: 2022-01-17 |
Actually I am sure otherwise. I believe comma is more widespread per country (dot might be more widespread by populace due to China, though)
it looks like you might be right... I'm surprised to learn that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Conventions_worldwide lists 83 countries who use comma as decimal separator, and only 59 who use dot (and presumably the thousands separator is usually the opposite of the decimal separator). However there are enough countries which aren't on either list that it isn't entirely clear from that page which convention is actually used in more countries. Also, it's much more complicated than the
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Possibly linux
lemmy.zip
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zipJoined: 2023-06-26 |
All bugs are treated as CVEs |
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klankin
piefed.ca
klankin@piefed.ca Joined: 2026-01-12 |
To add, pretty much any kernel bug gets a CVE because everything wrong in the kernel could theoretically be abused.
And they just changed the CVE rules to include non-exploitable bugs too. My theory is its to pump AI 'discoveries' numbers |
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klankin
piefed.ca
klankin@piefed.ca Joined: 2026-01-12 |
As in discovered by an AI?
As in they redefined the minimum requirements for CVEs to make the AI bubble float a little longer imo |
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klankin
piefed.ca
klankin@piefed.ca Joined: 2026-01-12 |
All bugs are treated as CVEs
And even simple renaming functions are now traded as |
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TomMasz
piefed.social
TomMasz@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-06-07 |
It took me a while to scroll through the list of CVEs. Clearly, a whole new meaning for the word "few" that I was unaware of. |
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SeductiveTortoise
piefed.social
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-07-16 |
No need to panic? Tell that the kernel! :D
The kernel is really anxious though, panics all the time. |
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DonutsRMeh
lemmy.world
DonutsRMeh@lemmy.worldJoined: 2025-03-13 |
As in discovered by an AI?
Most of them, yes. |
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Buddahriffic
lemmy.world
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-30 |
Debian problems I guess Not really; the Linux kernel has had 8500 CVEs so far this year (according to this). Most of them aren't actually known to be definitely-exploitable security bugs, but some are. You can read more about how Linux issues CVEs from this post on Greg Kroah-Hartman's website: Linux CVEs, more than you ever wanted to know (and/or watch one of his talks on the subject which is ...
Yeah, just to add some context, you can detect potential buffer overruns in code by looking for patterns but just because you find potential buffer overruns doesn't mean they are exploitable. The user needs to be able to inject not just code or parameters but also a return address that causes the injected code to run or triggers another function call with the injected parameters. With randomized code and stack addresses, this can be difficult or practically impossible, even if it's easy to customize what bytes go into the overrun part of the buffer. It's like finding small parts of dangerous patterns but those small parts aren't necessarily dangerous on their own and need more of the pattern to be an issue, but if you fix the small parts you find, you're less likely run into those bigger patterns, so it's worthwhile to fix the small patterns when they come up, but without fitting into a larger pattern, it wasn't an actual security hole, just a potential one. |
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StabbingSky
lemmy.zip
StabbingSky@lemmy.zip Joined: 2026-04-30 |
If the PS5 is based off of Linux, and some of these vulnerabilities tested, don't impact the PS5 in any way, does that mean technically Sony could get sued for not recontributing code back to the Linux projects? I mean, it means they fixed the issues on the PS5 but didn't contribute it back right?
No, there's no legal requirement to contribute to projects you've used and modified, unless the license explicitly states so. |
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Damage
slrpnk.net
Damage@slrpnk.net Joined: 2023-08-03 |
I believe comma is more widespread per country it looks like you might be right... I'm surprised to learn that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Conventions_worldwide lists 83 countries who use comma as decimal separator, and only 59 who use dot (and presumably the thousands separator is usually the opposite of the decimal separator). However there are enough countries which aren'...
Here in Italy the thousands separator used to be a "high dot", like the apostrophe you mention but in the shape of a dot... But our keyboards have no easy way to output that symbol so it went out of fashion over the last 20-30 years. |
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smeenz
lemmy.nz
smeenz@lemmy.nz Joined: 2023-07-11 |
Most of them are just crashing bugs. Worth fixing but you don't need to panic. If anyone exploits them, then A) you'll know about it, and B) they won't get away with anything sensitive.
But crashing bugs are good for denial of service. |
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Fmstrat
lemmy.world
Fmstrat@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-04-27 |
Honestly, great! More bugs found, more bugs fixed, better system for everyone.
It's KVM we should really be worried about anyway. |
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nullptr
lemmy.world
kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
1,313 Less than one and a half? Not a big deal.
I hate commas used as thousands separators, with passion |
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festnt
sh.itjust.works
festnt@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2024-04-18 |
I believe comma is more widespread per country it looks like you might be right... I'm surprised to learn that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Conventions_worldwide lists 83 countries who use comma as decimal separator, and only 59 who use dot (and presumably the thousands separator is usually the opposite of the decimal separator). However there are enough countries which aren'...
interesting. in brazil we use . for thousands and , for decimals, and most of my knowledge from outside is english-speaking countries (mostly the US), so i guess i just thought that was the default |
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Spice Hoarder
lemmy.zip
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-29 |
Hmm yes "vulnerabilities". My personal highlight: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/cve-2026-43073 Rename misleadingly named '__copy_user_nocache()' function. This function was a masterclass in bad naming, for various historical reasons. It claimed to be a non-cached user copy. It is literally neither of those things. Credits: https://lemmy.world/comment/26110292
Maybe it's vulnerable as in admitting to being stupid? /s |
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