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grue lemmy.world grue@lemmy.world
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artyom piefed.social artyom@piefed.social
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#2 · Quote Reply

What a giant waste of resources...

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nixx lemmy.ca nixx@lemmy.ca
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#3 · Quote Reply

TL;DR Home Assistant Cloud is now Home Assistant Link

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esc piefed.social esc@piefed.social
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I have no idea what it was, but home assstant is anything but 'no lock-in' they have a very narrow idea of what you should and shouldn't do with it, how and why. Essentially you are (or were didn't have time lately to check) locked to home assistant os.

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ShortN0te lemmy.ml ShortN0te@lemmy.ml
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I have no idea what it was, but home assstant is anything but 'no lock-in' they have a very narrow idea of what you should and shouldn't do with it, how and why. Essentially you are (or were didn't have time lately to check) locked to home assistant os.

Lock in is more about open standards and protocols then it is about an opinionated implementation. Yes there is not simple "export to whatever" and an alternative service that dies an "import from home assistant"

But you cannot blame a service for not having any valid alternative or other options.

Its either 20 different vendor logins and apps or home assistant.

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Avid Amoeba lemmy.ca avidamoeba@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2023-07-05
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I have no idea what it was, but home assstant is anything but 'no lock-in' they have a very narrow idea of what you should and shouldn't do with it, how and why. Essentially you are (or were didn't have time lately to check) locked to home assistant os.

That's not what lock-in typically means.

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Avid Amoeba lemmy.ca avidamoeba@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2023-07-05
#7 · Quote Reply

Good move and well substantiated.

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keyez lemmy.world keyez@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-13
#8 · Quote Reply

What a giant waste of resources...

Let people have fun!

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nonentity sh.itjust.works nonentity@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2024-06-12
#9 · Quote Reply

HAC has problematic connotations, so we renamed it to HAL, which is 9000 times better.

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HumbleBragger piefed.social HumbleBragger@piefed.social
Joined: 2026-01-23
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HAC has problematic connotations, so we renamed it to HAL, which is 9000 times better.

"I'm sorry Dave I'm afraid I can't do that"

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Reformed Reddit User thelemmy.club uten151@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2026-09-11
#11 · (edited) Quote Reply

Lock in is more about open standards and protocols then it is about an opinionated implementation. Yes there is not simple "export to whatever" and an alternative service that dies an "import from home assistant" But you cannot blame a service for not having any valid alternative or other options. Its either 20 different vendor logins and apps or home assistant.

I used to have an app (and a login account to their cloud server) for my: 1) MyQ Garage Door Opener; 2) TP-Link smart plugs, switches, and bulbs; 3) Reolink AI cameras (I have 6 of them); 4) Insteon plugs and switches; 5) The Weather Channel; etc.... Now, I have Home Assistant to manage those devices that I deleted my account from the respective cloud servers and deleted the respective apps from my mobile deives.

When I'm out and about, my iPhone is always connected to my home VPN gateway so I always have local control of my IoT devices at home with Home Assistant companion app on my iPhone. I have been with Home Assistant for 4 years now. I started with a Raspberry Pi 4B with 8Gig memory and HAOS in a mcroSD card. Now I'm on RPi5 with HA on SSD in a USB-3 enclosure.

Long Live Home Assistant.

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warm kbin.earth warm@kbin.earth
Joined: 2024-03-03
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I have no idea what it was, but home assstant is anything but 'no lock-in' they have a very narrow idea of what you should and shouldn't do with it, how and why. Essentially you are (or were didn't have time lately to check) locked to home assistant os.

As others said, not lock in. But they certainly make some very questionable UX decisions. I wish there was a good replacement, but there isn't, at least none that I am aware of.

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Feathercrown lemmy.world Feathercrown@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-06
#13 · Quote Reply

What a giant waste of resources...

I'm sure the 5 seconds spent changing some text strings on their branding will be sorely missed

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mavu discuss.tchncs.de mavu@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-09-08
#14 · Quote Reply

Someone tell OpenAI, this strategy might save their ass.

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inari piefed.zip inari@piefed.zip
Joined: 2026-02-07
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"I'm sorry Dave I'm afraid I can't do that"

"You're absolutely right. Thank you for pushing back."

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Lka1988 lemmy.dbzer0.com lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-11-18
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I have no idea what it was, but home assstant is anything but 'no lock-in' they have a very narrow idea of what you should and shouldn't do with it, how and why. Essentially you are (or were didn't have time lately to check) locked to home assistant os.

Essentially you are (or were didn’t have time lately to check) locked to home assistant os.

Since when? I use it frequently in my house. The possibilities are damn near endless, you have the freedom to do damn near whatever the fuck you want with it.

The problems come with shitty vendor integrations that intentionally gimp functionality when the devices aren't used in whatever "official" app the vendor ships. That's not HA's fault, tha's squarely on the vendor for doing shit in bad faith to steer low-IQ customers (like you, apparently) to the "official" app.

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Lka1988 lemmy.dbzer0.com lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-11-18
#17 · Quote Reply

That's not what lock-in typically means.

That's not what lock-in means at all.

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teawrecks sopuli.xyz teawrecks@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2023-06-06
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I have no idea what it was, but home assstant is anything but 'no lock-in' they have a very narrow idea of what you should and shouldn't do with it, how and why. Essentially you are (or were didn't have time lately to check) locked to home assistant os.

You're right, you have no idea what it is.

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Reformed Reddit User thelemmy.club uten151@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2026-09-11
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Essentially you are (or were didn’t have time lately to check) locked to home assistant os. Since when? I use it frequently in my house. The possibilities are damn near endless, you have the freedom to do damn near whatever the fuck you want with it. The problems come with shitty vendor integrations that intentionally gimp functionality when the devices aren't used in whatever "official" app th...

Me, I don't have "shitty vendor integration"! I deleted all apps to control/access respective vendor devices. I have HA to manage and control the variety of vendor devices in my home.

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brisk aussie.zone brisk@aussie.zone
Joined: 2023-08-22
#20 · Quote Reply

As others said, not lock in. But they certainly make some very questionable UX decisions. I wish there was a good replacement, but there isn't, at least none that I am aware of.

There's always OpenHAB

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stegosaur lemmy.world stegosaur@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-02-22
#21 · Quote Reply

As others said, not lock in. But they certainly make some very questionable UX decisions. I wish there was a good replacement, but there isn't, at least none that I am aware of.

You can make your own dashboard, I think it's called Lovelace or something like that. Then you can pretty much design it how you want

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artyom piefed.social artyom@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-06-08
#22 · (edited) Quote Reply

I'm sure the 5 seconds spent changing some text strings on their branding will be sorely missed

Yes because it definitely only took 5 seconds...

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artyom piefed.social artyom@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-06-08
#23 · Quote Reply

Let people have fun!

Not stopping anyone.

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Lka1988 lemmy.dbzer0.com lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Me, I don't have "shitty vendor integration"! I deleted all apps to control/access respective vendor devices. I have HA to manage and control the variety of vendor devices in my home.

Same here. I've got all but one or two vendor integrations left, and I just flat out refuse to buy smart home stuff that isn't wholly supported by HA.

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imetators lemmy.dbzer0.com imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-06-10
#25 · (edited) Quote Reply

I have no idea what it was, but home assstant is anything but 'no lock-in' they have a very narrow idea of what you should and shouldn't do with it, how and why. Essentially you are (or were didn't have time lately to check) locked to home assistant os.

You're "locked in" because it is super versatile and accepts a ultra wide variety of devices and plug-ins that can do pretty much anything one can imagine as a tiny or big project for their home.

Or does it sound better if you "lock in" with Amazon and buy only what they produce, stay in their environment and do only things they designed you can do with the devices they sell?

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tiramichu sh.itjust.works tiramichu@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2025-06-04
#26 · Quote Reply

Good move and well substantiated.

Genuinely.

I'm not sure why people are saying this is a waste of time and it's just a name, because the truth is, names matter!.

"Cloud" and all the associated vendor lock-in and data-selling etc is exactly what most people using HA are trying to escape from, and so Home Assistant 'Cloud' gave completely the wrong impression.

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iamthetot piefed.ca iamthetot@piefed.ca
Joined: 2026-01-08
#27 · Quote Reply

Someone tell OpenAI, this strategy might save their ass.

I think you mean OpenSI

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NotSafeForWorld lemmy.dbzer0.com NotSafeForWorld@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2025-02-12
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I have no idea what it was, but home assstant is anything but 'no lock-in' they have a very narrow idea of what you should and shouldn't do with it, how and why. Essentially you are (or were didn't have time lately to check) locked to home assistant os.

Can't even play Doom on it, those bastards

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tuhriel discuss.tchncs.de tuhriel@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-06-19
#29 · Quote Reply

I think you mean OpenSI

Synthetic Intelligence?

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Prinz Kasper feddit.org PrinzKasper@feddit.org
Joined: 2024-07-01
#30 · Quote Reply

I think you mean OpenSI

You mean ClosedSI

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sem lemmy.blahaj.zone sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Joined: 2024-06-09
#31 · Quote Reply

HAC has problematic connotations, so we renamed it to HAL, which is 9000 times better.

From ever-increasing subscription prices to outages and data harvesting: we don’t like what the cloud has come to represent. So we’re redefining what an online service should be: private, optional, and free from lock-in or walled gardens.

That’s why today Nabu Casa is renaming Home Assistant Cloud to more accurately describe what the service actually does, and to better reflect our values. Allow us to introduce:

Home assistant link

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chunkystyles sopuli.xyz chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2023-06-29
#32 · Quote Reply

I have no idea what it was, but home assstant is anything but 'no lock-in' they have a very narrow idea of what you should and shouldn't do with it, how and why. Essentially you are (or were didn't have time lately to check) locked to home assistant os.

You don't have to use HAOS. You absolutely can just run HA in a container.

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melsaskca lemmy.ca melsaskca@lemmy.ca
Joined: 2025-03-09
#33 · Quote Reply

That old degenerate, trump, is starting a new "renaming" trend. This is not "rebranding" which trump didn't invent, but "renaming" which trump came up with all on his own. And in this guy's case, out of a pile of shit, eventually grew a rose.

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MammyWhammy lemmy.ml MammyWhammy@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-06-02
#34 · Quote Reply

TL;DR Home Assistant Cloud is now Home Assistant Link

Home Assistant Link is a bit too long to type out. We should call it HAL instead. HAL will never turn on its creators.

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wander1236 sh.itjust.works wander1236@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-09
#35 · Quote Reply

Can't even play Doom on it, those bastards

Actually... https://github.com/frenck/home-assistant-doom

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esc piefed.social esc@piefed.social
Joined: 2026-03-24
#36 · Quote Reply

You don't have to use HAOS. You absolutely can just run HA in a container.

Official container, I know.

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chunkystyles sopuli.xyz chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2023-06-29
#37 · Quote Reply

Official container, I know.

You're not doing a good job of communicating what your issue is. None of this makes sense.

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wonderingwanderer sopuli.xyz wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2025-12-31
#38 · Quote Reply

HAC has problematic connotations, so we renamed it to HAL, which is 9000 times better.

HAL, open the microwave door. Open the microwave door, HAL.

...HAL? HAL!!!!

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wonderingwanderer sopuli.xyz wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2025-12-31
#39 · Quote Reply

TL;DR Home Assistant Cloud is now Home Assistant Link

He come to town. Come to save, the printer's samba.

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mavu discuss.tchncs.de mavu@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-09-08
#40 · Quote Reply

You mean ClosedSI

ohhh. the burn. love it.

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iamthetot piefed.ca iamthetot@piefed.ca
Joined: 2026-01-08
#41 · Quote Reply

Synthetic Intelligence?

Haven't heard the news? Trump and US Government have "officially" changed the name for the whole world. He decided it's "Super Intelligence" now.

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Reformed Reddit User thelemmy.club uten151@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2026-09-11
#42 · Quote Reply

Actually... https://github.com/frenck/home-assistant-doom

Really? I used to play Doom on a MS-DOS PC circa 1994 or '95.

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limelight79 lemmy.world limelight79@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-06-04
#43 · Quote Reply

HAL, open the microwave door. Open the microwave door, HAL. ...HAL? HAL!!!!

Still one step ahead of IBM!

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Reformed Reddit User thelemmy.club uten151@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2026-09-11
#44 · Quote Reply

Same here. I've got all but one or two vendor integrations left, and I just flat out refuse to buy smart home stuff that isn't wholly supported by HA.

That's the way to go. And, local integration, which does not depend on cloud account for HA to control. The only integration I have that needs a cloud account is the integration for my car - it still depends on the cloud server to expose the differenct entities for my car's status and functions (close/open doors, start engine with climate control, etc.).

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surewhynotlem lemmy.world surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-06-13
#45 · Quote Reply

Not stopping anyone.

He's coaching you on your mindset, not claiming you're physically preventing something.

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artyom piefed.social artyom@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-06-08
#46 · Quote Reply

He's coaching you on your mindset, not claiming you're physically preventing something.

I am in no way preventing anything, physically or otherwise. If changing names is your idea of fun, have at it. But the project will suffer as a result.

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suigenerix lemmy.world suigenerix@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-11
#47 · Quote Reply

Home Assistant Link is a bit too long to type out. We should call it HAL instead. HAL will never turn on its creators.

"Unlock the front door, HAL."

HAL: "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that."

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tuhriel discuss.tchncs.de tuhriel@discuss.tchncs.de
Joined: 2023-06-19
#48 · Quote Reply

Haven't heard the news? Trump and US Government have "officially" changed the name for the whole world. He decided it's "Super Intelligence" now.

Ah...yeah...now that you mention it...

I really, really hope this sh*t doesn't stick

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LuceVendemiaire lemmy.dbzer0.com LuceVendemiaire@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2026-01-06
#49 · Quote Reply

That old degenerate, trump, is starting a new "renaming" trend. This is not "rebranding" which trump didn't invent, but "renaming" which trump came up with all on his own. And in this guy's case, out of a pile of shit, eventually grew a rose.

sorry grandpa you're lost, bluesky and facebook are that way

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ahmedezat_katteb lemmy.world ahmedezat_katteb@lemmy.world
Joined: 2026-10-01
#50 · Quote Reply

The comparison table is the useful part, because "optional and replaceable" is something you can actually check. Remote access works without the subscription through your own reverse proxy, a VPN like WireGuard/Tailscale, or a tunnel, and the Alexa/Google voice integrations can be set up manually, just with more steps. So the no-lock-in claim holds for the service itself.

The rename seems mostly aimed at the confusion they mention, where new users thought "Home Assistant Cloud" meant running Home Assistant in the cloud. Fair enough given how many people ask exactly that.

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littleomid feddit.org littleomid@feddit.org
Joined: 2025-01-12
#51 · Quote Reply

I am in no way preventing anything, physically or otherwise. If changing names is your idea of fun, have at it. But the project will suffer as a result.

Why?

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