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resipsaloquitur
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TrackenDaKracken
lemmy.world
TrackenDaKracken@lemmy.worldJoined: 2026-09-29 |
It could also be solved by not sending fragile humans to a wholly inhospitable planet in the first place. |
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NaibofTabr
infosec.pub
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub Joined: 2023-06-18 |
The only way people are going to survive radiation exposure on Mars for the first decade or two is in underground shelters. A few inches of fancy mud isn't going to cut it. There's no magnetic field and hardly any atmosphere. You want several feet of rock between you and space. Once there's enough refined metal available for shielding you could spend more time above ground. Until that point you'd better diggy diggy hole. |
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nightwatch_admin
lemmy.world
nightwatch_admin@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-03-17 |
It could also be solved by not sending fragile humans to a wholly inhospitable planet in the first place.
Building this way doesn’t look bad, but materials alone are not going to fix all the other inhospitable things over there. Like 3-6 months travel time in a glorified soup can with high radiation levels, landing and living on an extremely cold rock with barely any atmosphere, more radiation, developing skeletal issues due to low gravity, poor social conditions, high chances of meteor strikes (barely any atmosphere, remember?) and no way home. Ever. |
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nightwatch_admin
lemmy.world
nightwatch_admin@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-03-17 |
The only way people are going to survive radiation exposure on Mars for the first decade or two is in underground shelters. A few inches of fancy mud isn't going to cut it. There's no magnetic field and hardly any atmosphere. You want several feet of rock between you and space. Once there's enough refined metal available for shielding you could spend more time above ground. Until that point you...
Did not see your comment before I posted mine. Almost completely agree, I only think it won’t take decades, I think it’s going to be a lot more. |
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rbos
lemmy.ca
rbos@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-08 |
Building this way doesn’t look bad, but materials alone are not going to fix all the other inhospitable things over there. Like 3-6 months travel time in a glorified soup can with high radiation levels, landing and living on an extremely cold rock with barely any atmosphere, more radiation, developing skeletal issues due to low gravity, poor social conditions, high chances of meteor strikes (ba...
We have no data about low gravity, only microgravity. Otherwise, yeah. |
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nightwatch_admin
lemmy.world
nightwatch_admin@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-03-17 |
We have no data about low gravity, only microgravity. Otherwise, yeah.
Mars’ gravity is about a third of Earth’s. Living their for prolonged periods of time will deteriorate your skeletal system - or adaptation to Mars, whatever you fancy. A return to Earth will be impossible due to this as well. |
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rbos
lemmy.ca
rbos@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-08 |
Mars’ gravity is about a third of Earth’s. Living their for prolonged periods of time will deteriorate your skeletal system - or adaptation to Mars, whatever you fancy. A return to Earth will be impossible due to this as well.
We don't actually have data on that. |
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nightwatch_admin
lemmy.world
nightwatch_admin@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-03-17 |
We don't actually have data on that.
Wikipedia talks of an about 38%, what exactly do you mean? That we haven’t done experiments on Mars? The known gravity is used in calculations for Mars landers etc… so I don’t quite follow. |
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AwesomeLowlander
sh.itjust.works
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2024-07-12 |
Wikipedia talks of an about 38%, what exactly do you mean? That we haven’t done experiments on Mars? The known gravity is used in calculations for Mars landers etc… so I don’t quite follow.
He's saying that while we have theories about how low gravity will affect us, we don't actually have any data. Only normal g and zero g, nothing in between. |
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rbos
lemmy.ca
rbos@lemmy.caJoined: 2023-06-08 |
He's saying that while we have theories about how low gravity will affect us, we don't actually have any data. Only normal g and zero g, nothing in between.
Yeah. It's probably going to be bad, but tbh I think it could go either way. The mass of your average human can vary by quite a lot, and our bones can structurally handle a 40kg human and a 100kg human, so my personal bet is that the transition would be a bitch, but I think we could go from 1.0 to long-term 0.38g to 1.0g with some work. Lots of open questions, though. Conception. Gestation. Birth. Adolescence. Would someone growing up entirely in Martian gravity be able to adapt? Again, probably going to be bad, but who knows for sure? |
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NaibofTabr
infosec.pub
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub Joined: 2023-06-18 |
Did not see your comment before I posted mine. Almost completely agree, I only think it won’t take decades, I think it’s going to be a lot more.
Eh, I figure putting up enough shielding to have some above-ground structures will be a priority. It won't be the whole planet or even a city, it will mostly be industrial things that people don't want to live with in the underground shelters, and of course exploration and research. Workspaces where people spend 4-ish hours of a day maybe twice a week above ground, and the rest below. I agree it will probably be longer before people are living above ground regularly. *Edit: the first few generations will probably experience abnormally high cancer rates even if they're very conservative and overcautious. There will be a lot of exposures and unpredictable interactions with the new environment. No matter how much data we collect beforehand, there will be things we can't possibly know until we try. |
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wyldrstallyns
lemmy.dbzer0.com
wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2026-05-16 |
What is "sand: paper", Precious? |
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resipsaloquitur
lemmy.cafe
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe Joined: 2026-04-14 |
What is "sand: paper", Precious?
It gets everywhere. |
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wyldrstallyns
lemmy.dbzer0.com
wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2026-05-16 |
It gets everywhere.
Now we need a meme wizard to swap Amedala's blithe hope look for Smeagol's. 🤌🏼 |
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nightwatch_admin
lemmy.world
nightwatch_admin@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-03-17 |
He's saying that while we have theories about how low gravity will affect us, we don't actually have any data. Only normal g and zero g, nothing in between.
Ah! Well yeah, that’s true indeed. |
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