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themachinestops
lemmy.dbzer0.com
themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-12-19 |
![]() Link: https://www.techspot.com/news/114091-florida-woman-used-claude-diary-anthropic-reported-shoot.html
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Eiri
lemmy.ca
Eiri@lemmy.ca Joined: 2024-08-30 |
Charged with transmitting a threat? They are obviously twisting that law. |
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HM King Charles III DG FD
feddit.uk
Flax_vert@feddit.ukJoined: 2023-06-19 |
Charged with transmitting a threat? They are obviously twisting that law.
She clearly did transmit a threat though, albeit to/via claude. |
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Eiri
lemmy.ca
Eiri@lemmy.ca Joined: 2024-08-30 |
She clearly did transmit a threat though, albeit to/via claude.
That's just the thing. That wasn't communication intended for anyone to see. |
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Sarah Valentine
pawb.social
SarahValentine@pawb.socialJoined: 2026-06-30 |
That's just the thing. That wasn't communication intended for anyone to see.
That's like farting in an elevator then protesting that it wasn't intended for anyone else to smell. |
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cronenthal
discuss.tchncs.de
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2025-02-27 |
While work on the Torment Nexus continues we are proud to announce that the rollout of both Thoughtcrime and Precrime are well underway. |
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Eiri
lemmy.ca
Eiri@lemmy.ca Joined: 2024-08-30 |
That's like farting in an elevator then protesting that it wasn't intended for anyone else to smell.
Your argument would make sense if it were a forum or social media post. That was a conversation with an AI chatbot. A word generator. Inherently that stuff doesn't communicate with anyone, and the only reason anyone saw it was that the chatbot company is spying on its users. A more reasonable comparison would be if the accused had written down plans to attack a police station in her iCloud-saved notes and Apple had taken a look unprompted and decided to contact the authorities. |
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Sarah Valentine
pawb.social
SarahValentine@pawb.socialJoined: 2026-06-30 |
Your argument would make sense if it were a forum or social media post. That was a conversation with an AI chatbot. A word generator. Inherently that stuff doesn't communicate with anyone, and the only reason anyone saw it was that the chatbot company is spying on its users. A more reasonable comparison would be if the accused had written down plans to attack a police station in her iCloud-save...
Nah you gotta be dumb as a box of rocks to treat any AI prompt like a private conversation. Just mind bogglingly ignorant. A mistake I would only expect from children. |
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Eiri
lemmy.ca
Eiri@lemmy.ca Joined: 2024-08-30 |
Nah you gotta be dumb as a box of rocks to treat any AI prompt like a private conversation. Just mind bogglingly ignorant. A mistake I would only expect from children.
You gravely underestimate the ignorance of the general public. The vast majority of people don't realize companies are spying on them. Even less so for content that isn't publicly available. There is nothing inherently "communication" or "publishing" about an AI. In fact, a local LLM does not communicate anything to anyone, and it's the same thing as Claude, just slower And without the telemetry. If you ignore corporate greed and yada yada, there's no reason a tech illiterate person would expect that anything they say in there isn't private. |
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Sarah Valentine
pawb.social
SarahValentine@pawb.socialJoined: 2026-06-30 |
You gravely underestimate the ignorance of the general public. The vast majority of people don't realize companies are spying on them. Even less so for content that isn't publicly available. There is nothing inherently "communication" or "publishing" about an AI. In fact, a local LLM does not communicate anything to anyone, and it's the same thing as Claude, just slower And without the telemetr...
Nope,. pretty sure I know exactly how stupid they are. I'm just not going to stop calling them stupid on account of how many of them are that stupid. Seems kind of a stupid thing to do. |
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Onsotumenh
discuss.tchncs.de
Onsotumenh@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2023-07-25 |
While work on the Torment Nexus continues we are proud to announce that the rollout of both Thoughtcrime and Precrime are well underway.
It would be funny if they accidentally build a basilisk that bites their own asses. |
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Sina
beehaw.org
Sina@beehaw.org Joined: 2023-07-02 |
That's a pretty good defense, I hope it works out. |
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HM King Charles III DG FD
feddit.uk
Flax_vert@feddit.ukJoined: 2023-06-19 |
That's just the thing. That wasn't communication intended for anyone to see.
If that's the case, then why did she send it to the servers at the address pointed to by the domain claude.ai? If it's not for anyone else to see, don't send it to somebody else's computer. |
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HM King Charles III DG FD
feddit.uk
Flax_vert@feddit.ukJoined: 2023-06-19 |
You gravely underestimate the ignorance of the general public. The vast majority of people don't realize companies are spying on them. Even less so for content that isn't publicly available. There is nothing inherently "communication" or "publishing" about an AI. In fact, a local LLM does not communicate anything to anyone, and it's the same thing as Claude, just slower And without the telemetr...
Well, this'll be a learning experience for the general public. |
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yetAnotherUser
discuss.tchncs.de
yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2024-06-01 |
That's just the thing. That wasn't communication intended for anyone to see.
Intent does not seem to be relevant...? It may lessen the punishment but the letter of the law is clearly violated. Whether it's in the spirit of the law is another thing. |
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JillyB
beehaw.org
JillyB@beehaw.org Joined: 2023-06-05 |
is unlawful for any person to send, post, or transmit, or procure the sending, posting, or transmission of, a writing or other record, including an electronic record, in any manner in which it may be viewed by another person [...] Intent does not seem to be relevant...? It may lessen the punishment but the letter of the law is clearly violated. Whether it's in the spirit of the law is another thing.
"in which it may be viewed by another person" I think any reasonable interpretation of that law wouldn't include it being viewable only by an employee in a manner that you didn't know could read it. |
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Eiri
lemmy.ca
Eiri@lemmy.ca Joined: 2024-08-30 |
is unlawful for any person to send, post, or transmit, or procure the sending, posting, or transmission of, a writing or other record, including an electronic record, in any manner in which it may be viewed by another person [...] Intent does not seem to be relevant...? It may lessen the punishment but the letter of the law is clearly violated. Whether it's in the spirit of the law is another thing.
Well, the letter of the law is sufficient to get an indictment, but usually the job of a judge is exactly that, to interpret vague legal language and render an unambiguous verdict. So if it's against the spirit of the law, then logically a judge should rule in favour of the defendant. Whether they will is another story, though, as the American legal system has been... Under question regarding partisanship. But the defense lawyer will likely seek acquittal because "may be viewed by another person" cannot reasonably include when you're being spied on against your will. Because then the words "in any manner in which it may be viewed by another person" are completely redundant and useless. A limiting statement that limits nothing. Plus, otherwise, all iCloud accounts, all personal backups, etc. that a company is technically capable of viewing is technically up for grabs without a warrant. Ruling against the defendant in this case would be WILD as a precedent to set for surveillance etc. |
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