Arwen was the manager who took credit?

I thought the Arwen change improved her character. Otherwise she’s mostly just Aragorn’s dream crush.

Aragorn’s older step-sister dream crush

Arwen was basically an object in the book, so I think it was a good adaptation.

I don't really mind it when a film combines characters, especially for a franchise as extensive as LoR. There's no way they could develop every minor character and still keep up the pacing for a film, let alone hire an actor for each character. I consider it a good compromise.

hey now, she's only his first cousin sixty-ish times removed

Glorfindel was not minor. Take it back!

He must have been a minor at some point

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Deep in The Silmarillion, no doubt. Ctrl+F if you've the free time. 😜

How do you think the elves became elves?

Even her body double gets just a quick line in the post credits. 😋

he's first mentioned covering the retreat of Turgon back to Gondolin to keep the city's location secret, during the Nirnaeth Arnoediad, or Battle of Unnumbered Tears, in the year 472 of the First Age

Ah, the impulsiveness of youth.

Doubly so since it gives a woman a modicum of agency in a series where they basically have none.

(I do appreciate that Eowyn is portrayed as struggling for self-determination and that the fantasy setting generally echoes medieval Europe and its social mores, but even then, her portrayal fails the Bechdel test in both book and film.)

I've read the books. Tom was completely irrelevant and leaving him out of the movies was the right move.

Glorfindel and Cirdan

Two legendary and extremely powerful beings reduced to silent background characters in a single scene.

If the Bible combined three Marys and two Jesuses, Jackson can merge a few characters and increase the screen-time of an incredibly gorgeous actor.

Sorry. What were we talking about again?

"Irrelevant"? Feh.Tom was the only one that flipped off the war (that whatever "higher power" wanted to see their Maiar suckups & watered-down Quendi struggle through, etc.) to instead go fuck & frolic with his river nymph wife.

IMHO, if they left him (them) in, more people might've been inspired to do similar IRL... Can't have that, now can we? 😅😶

More free time than I, for sure. 😉

Elves are born as adults.

An adult below 18k years. Checkmate, Maiar!

Please go back in time and tell that to the chuds who got her ousted from the Helms Deep battle.

Also her voice in that scene did things to little me.

Tom is the one who gave Merry the anti-Angmar sword that dispelled the Witch King's invulnerability.

That was probably a good call though. Helm's deep is where Aragorn starts learning to be a king, and is the rise of man. Having Arwen there would distract from key character development, arguably any elves at all showing up was a distraction.