https://metro.co.uk/2014/11/22/father-throws-chair-at-judge-after-absurdly-low-sentence-for-driver-who-killed-his-daughter-4958142/

https://www.dutchnews.nl/2015/09/appeal-court-jails-driver-for-killing-couple-and-grandchild/

2013?!

It took 13 years from incident to sentencing! Jesus!

Crikey, if I were that judge I'd be very cautious for the rest of my life for handing out such a sentence.

Can the parents/family appeal? Because if not then life isn't worth much.

I assume she won't give him any punishment... If vehicular homicide is 120h community service, and the chair this guy threw didn't even hit anything, I mean.

The story is from 2014

The driver got 15 months in jail and a 4 year driving ban in the end. Which is still pretty low, especially since the article said he didn't show any sign of remorse.

If you want to get away with murder, do it with a car.

She will give him 10 years for attempted murder on public official.

Murder has some pretty specific conditions to apply... Maybe consider reading less /c/fuckcars and more what a capital offense entails...

Vengeance!

You're probably right. I don't think it's a matter of a judge punishing him just like that. He will probably have a trial and some other judge with sentence him.

Whodathunkit

If in that position I don't think I would throw a chair at her , first I would go deal with the guy that killed my family and is out on the street...

If the judicial system can't provide an adequate solution, eventually people will just solve things themselves. Which to some extent already happens, depending where you live

I'm coming to the awareness perhaps it never was. And I'm not sure where that leadsbeyond, "What makes human life more valuable than plant and animal life (other than the fact we're humans and kind of biased)?"

Looking at you Anne Sacoolas, a name that should be infamous throughout the Western world.

For those who don't know, this piece of crap was driving on the wrong side of the road after leaving a US base in the UK and through her extremely negligent driving killed a teenager on a moped. Instead of answering for her crime, she fled like the spineless excuse for a human being she is back to the US on a diplomatic passport. Seeing as we're basically America's Belarus, she never got close to seeing the inside of a British prison and the US actively refused to send her back. If you work for US intelligence you are literally allowed to kill British people in cars with impunity, they'll even come out and bat for you when you're caught.

There may be no hell but I hope the rest of her days are as close to it as possible, but her actions reveal a callous moral vacuum of a person who no doubt only feels good about getting away with it. Shame on her name forever, shame on the US government for protecting her, and shame on the British government for folding like tissue paper instead of heeding its duty to seek justice for its citizens.

120 hrs of community service is insane for a "negligent killing" if that's what you want to call it. Those kinds of rulings are reserved for billionaires.

That's exactly right... the quickest way to get a normal, law abiding citizen, to become a "terrorist" is to take his family and deny him justice

Totally out of bounds. They should have hit the judge with a car, obviously

They also didn't go after Russia after they used weapons of mass destruction on British soil.

Rich people don't care as long as it's not their money being hurt.

From the linked articles, the killing took place in 2013, the sentencing and chair throw happened in 2014, and in 2015 an appeals court changed the sentence to 15 months in prison.

Edit: From another linked article, he fled to the UK but was extradited to Netherlands to serve the sentence in 2016, and in 2017 he was given early release to travel to Poland for the birth of his own child.

Don't even get me started, in another age the negligence with respect to Russia and its influence would be tantamount to treason. In my view Burnham must restore confidence by doing the Russia Report properly.

Also morbid fact, when I took my A-level in physics a question on the paper involved the murder of Litvinenko by the Russian government. If I remember correctly, the question was about the nature of alpha radiation and its property of being relatively benign outside the body but disasterous to inhale or ingest, plus some calculations on the dose the poor bastard was exposed to.

Maybe you should spend more time on c/fuckcars and less being an ecocidal narcissist.

Good peopdont drive cars for personal transportation.

Look, obviously the convenience of a person in a car is worth many times the life of a person not in a car. That's just science!

If you make people in cars responsible for the mayhem and death they cause, people will drive slower and more responsibly, and then traffic will be too slow and I can't zoom-zoom in my pollution powered people crusher!

/S, obvs.

People who use cars for personal transportation are sick, and need to be institutionalized for everyone's safety.

Ah, someone who hates rural people.

Behavior like this is going to drive people away from your cause.

Good people don't insult random strangers on the internet.

ai simp -> ai/car simp

Lol, depends. Do you mean farmers, miners, loggers, and other people doing important jobs that can't be done in the city? Not at all.

Do you mean wannabe hermit fuckwastrels who live in the middle of nowhere but insist on easy access to all the convenience and safety of modern society and want to force the people living in cities to buy it for them? Then absofuckinglutely.

Not understanding that a pithy internet comment is not going to be words the same way a legal context would employ them as strict terminology is very stupid.

Shit like this is why a TV series like Dexter could exist. Some people are walking around just fine with themselves after committing a heinous act. If it was an accident, fine, don't hate yourself forever, forgive yourself eventually, but showing no signs of remorse is something only a trashfire of a person could do

And behavior like a carholes is going to destroy human civilization. Fuck cars and the assholes who drive them.

The people helping destabilize the environment for their own selfish convenience aren't random. They are pretty fucking strange though.

Or just run over the judge with your car. You'll only get 120hrs of community service.

A friend of mine, Jessica Bullen was killed by a driver looking at the roof of their mouth in the rearview mirror when he plowed into her. The facts were not dispute. No jail time for the driver.

That one woman laughing her ass off. Probably the stenographer, thinks the judge is a cuntface.

I've been in that sort of position. I'm continually struggling. Maybe it's the adhd talking, but the absence of justice is truly aggravating.

There may be no hell

I assumed that had to be crying given the context, but it sure sounds like laughter. I’m confused.

Do you really think you're changing people's minds by being a cunt?

Haha this is a top tier tshirt.

Sounds like crying

Some more on it:
https://nltimes.nl/2017/05/15/polish-driver-killed-toddler-grandparents-crash-released-early-mps-angered

The reasoning behind it:
"Lack of Proof for Severe Negligence: Under Dutch law (Artikel 6 Wegenverkeerswet), a heavy prison sentence for a fatal traffic accident requires proof of gross negligence or recklessness (schuld)."

"No Evidence of Excessive Speed: Investigators could not legally prove that the driver was speeding excessively or that speed was the definitive cause of the vehicle losing control."

"Lesser Offense Applied: The court convicted him under a lighter traffic article (Artikel 5) for failing to keep his vehicle under continuous control rather than aggravated manslaughter or fatal recklessness, which capped the legal punishment guidelines significantly."

The original 120-hour sentence was itself overturned upon appeal in September 2015. The higher appeals court concluded that excessive speed was legally proven, sentencing the driver to 15 months in prison and a four-year driving ban.

In 2020 the traffic laws were overhauled to increase penalties and expand what constituted reckless driving. A penalty points system was also implemented.

farmers, miners, loggers, and other people doing important jobs that can't be done in the city

Still need cars to get to and from work, and in the case of farmers, their rural homes, dipshit.

That community took a real fucking hard and quick turn from being a group of people with a decent message about the benefits of public transportation, to some fucking brain dead idiots accusing everyone else of being a criminal for driving a car.

Probably would've gotten a lighter sentence

Didn't even hit her

It's almost like communities built on hate reinforce your worst thoughts.

It's worked so well for PETA.

The easiest ways to get away with murder is to hit someone with your car or be a cop.

On one hand I am glad that something closer to justice was eventually served, on the other hand I don't like the idea of prosecutors being able to appeal verdicts. I think appeals in criminal cases should be reserved for the defense. I don't like the state being able to try over and over again.